Multi-shot air pistol

[r_haines6662]

g1010 repeater

[Bjacobs571]

I was bored so I did some googling what I was thinking of was a HY-SCORE 802

more details here http://www.network54.com/Forum/40594...ere%2C1st+post

I was told you had to paint a G10 in a bright colour as they are not powerful enough to count as an air pistol so they are a RIF and illegal in black unless you are a member of a run around the woods shooting at each other society (sorry I can't remember their real name)

[GRAZY]

Record champion, bit hard to find as only sold in small numbers around the mid 80s.

[MikB]

I was bored so I did some googling what I was thinking of was a HY-SCORE 802

more details here http://www.network54.com/Forum/40594...ere%2C1st+post

I was told you had to paint a G10 in a bright colour as they are not powerful enough to count as an air pistol so they are a RIF and illegal in black unless you are a member of a run around the woods shooting at each other society (sorry I can't remember their real name)

I don't think that's the repeater variant of the Hi-Score. It had an overlever cocking mech using the whole barrel & cylinder assy. , and a peculiar rotating shutter breech that operated by twisting the big knurled ring. I had one of these pistols in the 60s, but never saw the multishot variant, which had a longer breech ring. It wasn't , IIRC, what it was cracked up to be - trigger was gruesome and creepy and the result was that it wasn't particularly accurate in the hands of anyone I knew. Its contemporary, the Slavia ZVP was a similar size but built like a miniature break-barrel rifle, with a crisp trigger and a MV which would probably take it perilously close to the limit - and I much preferred it.

Regards,
MikB

[Bjacobs571]

I don't think that's the repeater variant of the Hi-Score. It had an overlever cocking mech using the whole barrel & cylinder assy. , and a peculiar rotating shutter breech that operated by twisting the big knurled ring. I had one of these pistols in the 60s, but never saw the multishot variant, which had a longer breech ring. It wasn't , IIRC, what it was cracked up to be - trigger was gruesome and creepy and the result was that it wasn't particularly accurate in the hands of anyone I knew. Its contemporary, the Slavia ZVP was a similar size but built like a miniature break-barrel rifle, with a crisp trigger and a MV which would probably take it perilously close to the limit - and I much preferred it.

Regards,
MikB

The first pistol on the page is the single shot version. The instructions are for the repeating version according to the poster. The picture about a third of the way down is the repeating version. If you compare it with the top picture you can see the knurled knob at the back is longer. I am not an expert on these pistols, I am only going on what the people on that forum are saying.
I also seem to remember another pistol very much like the Hi-Score but made in china I think. I remember people telling me they were very powerful for a pistol but I never shot one so I don't know.

[magicniner]

I was bored so I did some googling what I was thinking of was a HY-SCORE 802

more details here http://www.network54.com/Forum/40594...ere%2C1st+post

I was told you had to paint a G10 in a bright colour as they are not powerful enough to count as an air pistol so they are a RIF and illegal in black unless you are a member of a run around the woods shooting at each other society (sorry I can't remember their real name)

Lead pellet, lead bb and steel BB firing pistols are all regarded as "Firearms not currently requiring a Firearms Certificate" and are not RIFs, take it from a clued up RFD
Next time you're in that particular pub you can set the plank that told you this straight ;-)
Regards,
Nick

[Bjacobs571]

Lead pellet, lead bb and steel BB firing pistols are all regarded as "Firearms not currently requiring a Firearms Certificate" and are not RIFs, take it from a clued up RFD
Next time you're in that particular pub you can set the plank that told you this straight ;-)
Regards,
Nick

Taken from
Guidance to: Air Weapons,
Primers, Realistic Imitation Firearms & Imitation Firearms
Published by:-
The Gun Trade Association Limited
P.O. Box 43 Tewkesbury Gloucestershire GL20 5ZE 01684 291868 www.guntradeassociation.co.uk
© The Association of Chief Police Officers England, Wales & N.Ireland / The Gun Trade Association Limited. 2007
THE VIOLENT CRIME REDUCTION ACT 2006


33.4 Realistic Imitation Firearms' & Imitation Firearms Sections 36, 37, 38, 39 & 40: Cont.
Please note that airsoft items are not firearms within the meaning of the 1968 Act because either their ammunition is designed not to cause lethal injury, or their muzzle energy is less than 1 joule, which is currently taken to be the threshold at which a projectile of non frangible design can be lethal.

If the G10 has a muzzle energy of less than 1 Joule then it is not a firearm for exactly the same reason airsoft are not and the G10 then becomes an imitation firearm which if sold by a shop needs to be 50% painted bright colours to be legal. If the ammunition was the only factor then there would not be air pistols that fire 6mm plastic balls.
airsoft aren't firearms because they have less than 1 Joule of energy and paintball guns are not firearms because their ammo is non lethal.
I am told the G10 was less than 1 joule by someone who has a chronograph so has probably checked their one.

Now Mr Plank tell me what fat bloke down the pub told you I was wrong so you could make fun of me and make out I am stupid. and please give sources for your understanding of the law

[magicniner]

Well you asked for this so BOHICA

Look at the black ones for sale in the shops and wonder why the local FEO isn't interested, it's because you're wrong
Also look on the internet and see where you can buy one mail order, you can't because you're wrong ;-)
http://www.solware.co.uk/air-pistol-...r-pistol.shtml
http://www.getairgun.co.uk/smk.0.html
http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/1277_1_13972.html
Any more guidance you can vomit up in support of a statement which is clearly wrong would be greatly appreciated, I find it endlessly amusing

Normally I wouldn't engage you in a battle of wits as I generally refuse to fight with an unarmed man

[Geezer]

This whole RIF v airsoft v airsoft that is an airgun v airgun that is based on airsoft thing does my head in. Somewhere I think I may still have a G10 that I broke as a kid and removed the internals for my box of "bits that might come in handy". Does that mean I converted a legal airgun into a now illegal RIF? Or I have a broken airgun?

To return to the OP's question, the Champions and Hy Scores are rare and pricey (£150-200 region at a guess). They are also fiddly.

The best bet, as said earlier, is a Gamo AF-10 (which also shoots pellets singly) or the earlier PR-45 which is a pure BB repeater. Nice guns, driven out of the market by the CO2 repeaters.

Another, though very cheap and low-powered, would be a Daisy model 177, an underlever spring BB repeater, one of which I have but not for sale. There was also a Daisy Colt 1873 lookalike BB spring gun that is a true spring gun in that there is no cylinder: the hammer hits the BB to lob it (slowly) down the barrel - the model 179.

Much more obscure options would include the 1930s Haenel 28R (lovely, pricey and v collectable), and the ultra-rare tube magazine repeating version of the ASI/Gamo Center (which may only be a rumour, I have never seen even a picture of one).

[magicniner]

All quiet on the western front then



- Nick

[Iain K D]

The best bet, as said earlier, is a Gamo AF-10 (which also shoots pellets singly) or the earlier PR-45 which is a pure BB repeater. Nice guns, driven out of the market by the CO2 repeaters.

The AF10 is a rather lightweigh and almost feels a bit flimsy, in my opinion.

The PR15 is the 15-shot lead ball only repeater, and from what I've seen and handled (but never fired) is much more solid. Unlike the AF10, which can have pellets loaded directly into the breech, there is no such option on the PR15.

The PR45 is a single-shot only version of, essentially, the PR15 - it differs only, I'm sure, in having a different overlever/barrel assembly - with adjustable sights (PR15's are fixed) and lengthened to extend past the front of the frame. And, of course, direct access to the breech for loading.

Iain

[Bjacobs571]

Well you asked for this so BOHICA

Look at the black ones for sale in the shops and wonder why the local FEO isn't interested, it's because you're wrong
Also look on the internet and see where you can buy one mail order, you can't because you're wrong ;-)
http://www.solware.co.uk/air-pistol-...r-pistol.shtml
http://www.getairgun.co.uk/smk.0.html
http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/1277_1_13972.html
Any more guidance you can vomit up in support of a statement which is clearly wrong would be greatly appreciated, I find it endlessly amusing

I have looked at your links which are "proof" that I am wrong because they sell the G10 pistol. It is obvious that you didn't look at your links before you posted. That is an old page you found on the Solware sight if you go to their home page you cannot navigate to that page as it is not current. I phoned Solware and they told me they have not been able to get the G10 pistol for at least a year.

I looked at the SMK web site and they do not list the G10 as a pistol they sell.
T
he Antics Website says they are out of stock and cannot get any more "We regret that this product is no-longer
available. Our current product range can be found at www.anticsonline.co.uk "

The getair website just says he will order any air gun you want , he doesn't have any in stock.
lots of companies leave out of date webpages on their website and the search engine will find them even if they are not current.

so perhaps you can find a retailer who has them in stock not just who has an old web page that mentions them.

My friend who told me about the G10 would love to find a supplier as he used to order them by the dozen and they used to sell like hot cakes

[Bjacobs571]

Power of a G10
All the American websites who sell the G10 which is a Marksman pistol re badged for who ever wanted to sell them (Diana, Milbro, Huntington etc.) quote the G10 as 200 fps . As for the gun which SMK has sold which is like a G10, I have no idea where it is made.
the websites who mention a power in the UK claim 300fps which is interesting as they may be a difference in the pistols that might be sold here and those sold in the US.

I found a YouTube video where the stupid kid who made the video shot his own hand with his G10 at point blank range to show how it would do no damage. I don't care how low powered a pistol is if it shoots anything more substantial than light I won't be shooting it at myself.

I found a review of the American G10 on the Pyrimid air Blogg

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/...stol-that.html

Page 2 has the part where he Cronos a G10

I shot the 2000 for velocity, because it is the newest gun I have. The rated velocity is 220 f.p.s.
Daisy BBs (5.1 grains) averaged 187 f.p.s., with an 8 f.p.s. spread. 0.4 ft-lbs
RWS Hobbys (6.9 grains) averaged 123 f.p.s. with a spread of 6 f.p.s. 0.23 ft-lbs
Gamo Raptors (5 grains) averaged 217 f.p.s. with a spread of 20 f.p.s. That made them the velocity champs. Too bad that 300 pellets cost more than the gun! 0.52 ft-lbs
Finally a 12.7-grain Marksman dart (I used the same dart for all shots) averaged a turtle-esque 64 f.p.s. with a spread of just 5 f.p.s. 0.12ft-lbs


So the standard G10 as sold in the USA with pellets and BBs doesn't meat the criteria of being a firearm. There is no strict definition of a firearm but it is generally agreed by the courts that less than 0.74 ft-lbs and its not as it isn't capable of causing harm. A dart might pierce the skin as it has a point but it wont be able to penetrate enough to do any real damage.
I know that an eye is a lot more delicate but the chances of hitting an eye if you wanted to is 1,000,000 to 1 and the chances of hitting an eye if you don't want to is 1 to 1