Got to say Bob my Hw45 is completely standard & I can 9 times out of 10 do better than +4 per card with a webley Alecto or Hw75 so my argument still stands, if you want the advantage buy a springer!! Or if you want I'll lend you mine I would hate to have to retire my 45 just because Ssp's are lighter easier to cock & have no recoil are we changing the logo to olive oil as well? It's the MPL not the dance of the ssp fairy's!!!!