CROSMAN 451 pistol

[Lawrie Amatruda]

First I would like to say that I know Chris the person selling the 451 and he is decent bloke to deal with, and if the gun in question is the one that was owned by Dave, then as far as I can remember when I resealed it, it worked quite well, the only thing I would question would be the number of shot you will get, I have worked on quite a few and have not found any that would give more than 25 decent shots.

Cheers, Lawrie.

[Ian]

Well, if Lawrie says that the seller and pistol are OK thats good enough for me

Still out of my price range - especially just before Christmas!

[trevor1]

I noticed a working one went at TradeMe last night for $300NZ(around 150 quid)Looked OK.
They are fun guns,real gas guzzlers.
Nowdays,one of the hazards of the 451 is a fracture of the hammer.I guess the metal it is made of is getting rather tired.
The first two I bought cost me $34NZ each.

[Kingplinker]

I noticed a working one went at TradeMe last night for $300NZ(around 150 quid)Looked OK.
They are fun guns,real gas guzzlers.
Nowdays,one of the hazards of the 451 is a fracture of the hammer.I guess the metal it is made of is getting rather tired.
The first two I bought cost me $34NZ each.

Great fun though just like all things that guzzle gas !

atvb

Dave

PS : Lawrie , Chris has been in touch and I'm certain it is my old one mate .

[micky]

I noticed a working one went at TradeMe last night for $300NZ(around 150 quid)Looked OK.
They are fun guns,real gas guzzlers.
Nowdays,one of the hazards of the 451 is a fracture of the hammer.I guess the metal it is made of is getting rather tired.
The first two I bought cost me $34NZ each.

Hi Trevor you certainly know how to turn people green.

[trevor1]

I think the world is divided into two groups,those who have re-assembled a 451 and those who haven't.The former group could hold a world 451 conference in a telephone booth!
The 451 was a great idea that didn't work out in practice.Subsequent CO2 guns have shown there are far simpler methods than that found in the 451,to achieve a "blow-back" effect.
I could never see how Crosman could sell the thing for 34 bucks(here,in NZ)
The 451 looked good-nicer than a 600,but it could never perform as well as Crosman's greatest post-war innovation.
The 451 came about at the end of Crosman's "golden years"-along with the Model 1100 shotgun.
At the time,Crosman were offering a greater variety of air/CO2 guns than all their competition put together!
At one time,NZ was awash with clever Crosmans.
As with many other US-made air/CO2 guns,a fundamental of the design of Crosman guns was "the clam shell" frame.Having a "join line" running the length of one's weapon didn't appeal to many collectors but hey,if you just enjoyed repetition from a realistic looking hand piece,then Crosmans were just the ticket.
Trev
http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00s917x696.jpg

[flatrajectory]

The inner workings of a 451 make a model 600 seem like a Webley Junior by comparison.
The late 1960`s into the late 70`s were a period of great Innovation for Crosman, they bought out so many different pistols and rifles of differing designs. They showed the world what was possible with modern materials. Crosman also have a vast collection of prototypes which never made it into production, due to either complexity or the fact that it was not financially viable to produce that model.
I have a collection of about a dozen Crosman airguns and no two have the same operation. My 622 rifle for example has a rotary six shot magazine , very similar in design to the magazines in todays pcp`s. So you can thank Crosman for that, ...... unless of course they copied that from rifle invented in austria in 1788...??????.
You have the 600 ...a true gas blowback semi-auto with in-line magazine. The mod 400 bolt action repeater using the same pellet transport system, also the mod.99 lever action 14 shot repeater yet another take on it.
The 1100 trapmaster, a terrific semi auto shotgun... and so it goes on.
Thank you Crosman for putting the fun into airgun shooting.

Pete.

[trevor1]

http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...t=DSC06820.jpg
The single shot,.38 cal,Model 1100 Trapmaster,what a cracker!

[flatrajectory]

Trevor,
Have you fitted a longer barrel on that 1100...?????

Pete.

http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...t=DSC06820.jpg
The single shot,.38 cal,Model 1100 Trapmaster,what a cracker!

[trevor1]

Maybe my lens has streeetched it? Trev

[Hsing-ee]

That pistol gets my vote for the ugliest gun for the most money.

[Ian]

That pistol gets my vote for the ugliest gun for the most money.

Does this help?

[gingernut]

A bit.

[Hsing-ee]

Does this help?

Ack ... urgggg.... no!

'tarts handbag'

but at least the horrible cover thing at the back fits it properly and

yes it does look alot more presentable

than the

original.

[Ian]

Theres no pleasing some people