Swedish Air rifles

[hawkeye]

Found this online; "In Sweden, it is possible to freely acquire air guns with a muzzle energy not exceeding 10 joules (7.4 ft·lbf). Air guns with muzzle energy over 10 J must be registered (gun license is needed)."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gun_laws
Maybe a good Excellent puts out around 10 Joule, not 10 ft LBs, that would keep it at the Swedish legal limit, and would be a tad under 7 1/2 ftlbs.

Thats a pretty low figure for hunting , the ones my mate from Netherlands has he has owned for over forty years which he used to hunt rabbits with ,it was him gave me the details including calibre of 5.4mm he even sent me photos and Protek are selling the same size shot of 5.4mm so are we talking of different rifles ?
first is link to the excellent rifle they have for sale on commision 3/4 of way down page ,second one shows h&n 5.4mm balls for Swedish rifles ?
http://www.proteksupplies.co.uk/page4.html
http://www.proteksupplies.co.uk/page11.html

[hawkeye]

Ged I notice yours looks like brass , photos I have are of blued steel barrel and silver pump, handle and stock of wood .
I checked on the Protek rifle and that too is 5.4mm perhaps they did both calibres but again Protek listing as" Excelent" Swedish air rifle.

[gedfinn 2]

Ged I notice yours looks like brass , photos I have are of blued steel barrel and silver pump, handle and stock of wood .
I checked on the Protek rifle and that too is 5.4mm perhaps they did both calibres but again Protek listing as" Excelent" Swedish air rifle.

Hiya mate, & all,
The Excellent & the Bahco are all brass, They were nickel coated & I removed mine as it was patchy , & I will re nickel when I am set up again,

They are identical, excepting for calibre & some later tweeks, I have to laugh when I hear of 10 Fpe !!!!!
I have a tuned one in my hands, ( By me )
The material thickness of the brass pump tube is very light, Certainly not given to " Hard " Pumping,

The pumping effort is considerable, & The mechanics of the pump design inhibit excessive pressure, This allied to the breech which is only a mating surface IE No seal.
The pump head has a unique feature, It seals when pumping up, But on returning the vacuum is released via the pump head,

The barrel is blacked, Octagonal to round & smooth bored & in good condition with a very nice stock with steel shoulder " Bit "
Believe it or not ! Haha, Ged.

[Unframed Dave]

I've not had mine long, don't seem to be able to find a function to load a photo on here. This morning I put a few pellets through the chrono. I am unable to find any 5.4 balls, so have used a sizer off with .22 pellets. Using a 12 grain pellet I get: 4.76, 4.88 and 4.14 with 10 pumps. The difference between the first two and last I'm sure is due to pumping consistancy. The 9th and 10th pumps taking a lot off effort. I tried one more at 8 pumps and got 3.43. I haven't had it long enough to assess accuracy, but as it was designed with balls in mind I don't think it's going to be great. It has a small spring loaded plunger in the barrel just beyond the breech to prevent balls rolling out. This is not going to be doing much towards a nice stable pellet, I could remove the plunger and blank the hole off, but it is not my intention to use this for anything serious, just pure enjoyment. It's a cracking little rifle if you like things a bit different and it makes a lovely noise when fired. Shooting bunnies Nah!

Dave

[hawkeye]

Well Dave there seems to be a lot of differences in models and makers name , is yours the Excellent brand or the Bahco as per Ged,s , I was given all data from a friend in the Netherlands who has two models of the excellent rifle in 5.4mm ball shot ,he is not selling either of them so has no reason to say other than what is true in his case,Ric has a new one virtually unused he said that when he got it power was quite good
and it has a ten shot magazine , Ged said originally they were only in 4.5mm and his was smooth bored ,all the ones I have seen for sale have
been the 5.4mm lead ball and specified as rifled - paradox barrel,there a links on previous page for most of this and i have email from my friend confirming details of his , prices in Uk seem to be artifically high compared to EU countries and the states but not sure about customs problems
from states importing them , I had problem previously with UK customs importing a firing pin for one of my b/a rifles (firearm) they came to the house ,checked the firearm and my certificate but still kept the firing pin , since then i hav,nt ordered outside uk .

[gedfinn 2]

Well Dave there seems to be a lot of differences in models and makers name , is yours the Excellent brand or the Bahco as per Ged,s , I was given all data from a friend in the Netherlands who has two models of the excellent rifle in 5.4mm ball shot ,he is not selling either of them so has no reason to say other than what is true in his case,Ric has a new one virtually unused he said that when he got it power was quite good
and it has a ten shot magazine , Ged said originally they were only in 4.5mm and his was smooth bored ,all the ones I have seen for sale have
been the 5.4mm lead ball and specified as rifled - paradox barrel,there a links on previous page for most of this and i have email from my friend confirming details of his , prices in Uk seem to be artifically high compared to EU countries and the states but not sure about customs problems
from states importing them , I had problem previously with UK customs importing a firing pin for one of my b/a rifles (firearm) they came to the house ,checked the firearm and my certificate but still kept the firing pin , since then i hav,nt ordered outside uk .

Hiya mate, & to clarify !
I didn,t say they were 4.5mm , ( I said mine were 4.4mm )
I said " MY " Bahco was 4.4 mm. & IS, Smooth bored,
I care what your mate says the output was or is ! I stated that mine in the smaller calibre was all out at 4 Fpe !!! I acknowledge that a larger calibre might give slightly higher output ! But not the quoted figures ?

I might add, I take offence that you with " No previous knowledge " Of these guns would suggest outputs & Or any other information, Albeit prices , outputs, & Calibres when you haven,t a clue !!!!
I tried to explain ,!!!!!!!!
I being the owner of one & A repairer of a few, You seem not to acknowledge this,
To cut to the quick,
They with the 19th century valving & Unassisted mechanical aid " As regards pumping "
Were & Never will be powerhouses ! EVER , Tell your mate !
Ged.

[Rob M]

I'm not so interested in the Excellent or Bahco rifles, would love an Excllent pistol though, I really like the look of them for some reason.

[shabee]

Hello again
firstly to answer your question to me, its been a long time since ive seen the match rifle but from memory they were only made for three years (66-70), ive had the one i think i have for over twenty years and yes its definitly 5.4mm and you can only use ball ammo in it. It is the same as the one for sale in the previous post which someone showed, in fact all three for sale above have the rotary breech of which i speak when i say you must use ball ammo, there is also a model which i think i may no longer have which has a pivoting breech or twist to the side which when open would allow a sized pellet to be placed directly into the bore and would allow the method which torrens speaks of to be adopted.
Furthermore you will notice that protek have sold the 5.4 ammo they had for sale as it says SOLD so it must have been some they aquired rather than being correct in saying they sell it, i dont think they do as a rule, and lastly regardless of how you pump the gun they will dispatch a rabbit, ones ive had were quite powerful and discharge with a good crack, sinking a lead ball a good way into pine board, im not saying they are a 12lbs/ft gun but they are definitly more than that which has been suggested, you could also get a ball mould made so you can make your own ammo, but you would need a melting pot and the shot would be best tumbled afterwards so again it wouldnt be cheap but its not impossible if you are adamant you need an excellentgevaret, and by the way unless im mistaken the AB just means that its a swedish registered company or something like that.
Ric

[hawkeye]

Yes Ric , been finding out more of them ,both rifles the Excellent and the Bahco were from the same factory , my mate said that the Bahco,s were better quality
but still by A B Arnheim of Sweden , his are 5.4mm I checked again after Ged,s comments , not sure about the Bahco,s but as you say the Excellents are
more powerfull ,the law in Sweden must have changed sometime into production .