.22 Hornet loads in my CZ 527

[HandyAndy]

Thanks all.

I will get the rem brass. A tub of either lilgun or H110 propellant and a couple of boxes of 35gr vmax and discard the stuff I have now

Any preference on primers? I have cci 400 at present. Are these OK?

[jb7x57]

The cz 527 is 224 diameter. But a lot of the older Brno,s are .223 diameter have you tried the dogtown 34 grain bullet they are .224 dia they shoot well in the hornet got mine from South Yorkshire shooting supplies and they cost a lot less than hornadys

[snoozlecracker]

The cz 527 is 224 diameter. But a lot of the older Brno,s are .223 diameter have you tried the dogtown 34 grain bullet they are .224 dia they shoot well in the hornet got mine from South Yorkshire shooting supplies and they cost a lot less than hornadys

I told him to get dogtown's !

[Tank]

Thanks all.

I will get the rem brass. A tub of either lilgun or H110 propellant and a couple of boxes of 35gr vmax and discard the stuff I have now

Any preference on primers? I have cci 400 at present. Are these OK?

I prefer Federal 205 primers as the CCI BR primers i had were responsible for quite a few 'dud' rounds. Not had one since with Fed 205's.

[HandyAndy]

I told him to get dogtown's !

Sorry mate, my Olde head hasn't stopped spinning since looking into the hornet venture. I will try and source some to try out. If you have a recipe for them then I'm all ears

The cz 527 is 224 diameter. But a lot of the older Brno,s are .223 diameter have you tried the dogtown 34 grain bullet they are .224 dia they shoot well in the hornet got mine from South Yorkshire shooting supplies and they cost a lot less than hornadys

Cheers JB7x57, as above I'll try and get hold of some. Do you have a recipe?

I prefer Federal 205 primers as the CCI BR primers i had were responsible for quite a few 'dud' rounds. Not had one since with Fed 205's.

Thanks for the info Tank, these ones were very kindly loaned to me by a mate (a good one at that) because when I went to macavoys to get my reloading supplies, I walked out the shop without buying any primers, only to remember and go back in. I bought 500 and left them on the counter, not realizing until I got home luckily the sales staff spotted my mistake and put them to one side and credited my card when i phoned them, as I wasn't goin all the way back just for them.
I think that re affirms my point above
I will certainly look into the federal primers

Well, all that aside I have looked through the brass Mr smith sent with the rifle and there are 24 rem cases. All now have been de primed, re sized, chamfered inside and out, primer pockets cleaned, run through the ultrasonic bath for 5 to 6 minutes. Rinsed in clean running water. Shaken (not stirred) left in the oven at 80° for 40 mins. Left to cool and some have been loaded.
I have taken the upper weight for the H4198 propellant and reduced it by 4 grains to 11.1gr and loaded some with the 36gr hp bullets. Then using the same charge I loaded some with the 40gr VMAX. All as near as I could get them to the Lee book OAL. Using the same recipe, I have managed to load 5 off with the new PPU brass I have.

One thing that has struck me is in the Lee book, the case length is shown to be 1.304", yet when I have sized the case length with the lee tool. It cuts the case shorter than this?? Strange but true, you would expect their own tool to correspond with the book?


I am going to try and get out tomorrow and do some more testing with these new loads.

Cheers again, wishing you all a very happy and prosperous New Year

[dryan]

Andy, it may not be the ammo to blame, ill pop out tommorow and shoot a group for you

[Hornet 6]

One thing that has struck me is in the Lee book, the case length is shown to be 1.304", yet when I have sized the case length with the lee tool. It cuts the case shorter than this?? Strange but true, you would expect their own tool to correspond with the book?

Case length is actually 1.403" the Lee Trimmer will cut it .010" shorter, which is normal.
If it cuts any shorter than that you have a a problem, usually self inflicted, if you over tighten the gauge
in to the cutter it will cut in to the guide and give you short cases.
With a little care you can set the length you like, mine cuts to 1.395" and I trim every time, even if it only takes .0005" off.
never worried about loading to lands, waste of time, accurate case length, all rounds loaded to same length, book length in my
case, and a light crimp will get you tiny groups. My most accurate load is 11.5 grains of H110, that gives me 3070fps from an 18 inch barrel.

Neil.

[Hornet 6]

I have taken the upper weight for the H4198 propellant and reduced it by 4 grains to 11.1gr and loaded some with the 36gr hp bullets.

I have no idea where you are getting your data from, but it is suspect.
2nd edition Lee book, H4196 for a 35 grain bullet. (as that is where their data starts)
Start load is 10.5 grains, max load is 11.5 grains.
So you are starting at near max, not good.

Just think about this, More rifles are blown up with reduced loads, than by over max loads.
If you add using the wrong powder to that list then it gets even worse.

Neil.

[HandyAndy]

Andy, it may not be the ammo to blame, ill pop out tommorow and shoot a group for you

Thank you, but no thank you I think I have it covered

I have no idea where you are getting your data from, but it is suspect.
2nd edition Lee book, H4196 for a 35 grain bullet. (as that is where their data starts)
Start load is 10.5 grains, max load is 11.5 grains.
So you are starting at near max, not good.

Just think about this, More rifles are blown up with reduced loads, than by over max loads.
If you add using the wrong powder to that list then it gets even worse.

Neil.

Neil. Now you are really confusing me??? Please see the two links here is one and the second is here
Both of these are from the page I copied out of the latest Lee reloading book??? Only 4 weeks back.

As for starting at the upper end. Not quite true, if you had read from the start of the thread you would see I started at the lower level, got poor results, then dropped the weight below the lower in a bid to increase the pressure slightly, which gave a tumbling bullet at 40 is yards. Only now to try the upper limit, well almost?!?!

Off out this afternoon to have a try on a target with the rounds I made earlier. If I don't report back you know it didn't go well

[minkstone]

Thank you, but no thank you I think I have it covered


Neil. Now you are really confusing me??? Please see the two links here is one and the second is here
Both of these are from the page I copied out of the latest Lee reloading book??? Only 4 weeks back.

As for starting at the upper end. Not quite true, if you had read from the start of the thread you would see I started at the lower level, got poor results, then dropped the weight below the lower in a bid to increase the pressure slightly, which gave a tumbling bullet at 40 is yards. Only now to try the upper limit, well almost?!?!

Off out this afternoon to have a try on a target with the rounds I made earlier. If I don't report back you know it didn't go well

Not surprising really is it, not enough speed to stabalise bullets!.... dropping charges below minimum is a recipie for disaster as already been stated!!..... Having followed this thread, i'm of the conclusion you haven't a clue as to what your doing even after all the advice given!!

[HandyAndy]

Not surprising really is it, not enough speed to stabalise bullets!.... dropping charges below minimum is a recipie for disaster as already been stated!!..... Having followed this thread, i'm of the conclusion you haven't a clue as to what your doing even after all the advice given!!

You'd probably be quite near the truth, or would you??

If you had read the whole thread, you will have made better observations on the progress over the last few weeks. Like the previous owner not being able to provide me with the oal. The inability to source the previous owners preferred bullets. Shall I go on?

I took the decision to go the route I did and slowly but surely I have managed to get some useful information off the peeps on here in order to assist me to progress to a decent load with what is readily available to me.

Thank you for your input. I will take it with a pinch of salt as I believe it deserves .

If you care to cast your eyes back a little further you will come across the reference to me getting 2 loads hitting the same poi @ 100 yards with my .243. No I'm not an expert (however you gauge that) but I am willing to learn.

[gpointer]

If you care to cast your eyes back a little further you will come across the reference to me getting 2 loads hitting the same poi @ 100 yards with my .243. No I'm not an expert (however you gauge that) but I am willing to learn.

Hi mate getting 2 loads to shoot the same POi with a 243 isnt really hard to do,you see a 243 dosent really come alive unless your at 200 yards,try your loads at that distance and see what you get.
just an obvservation but maybe you should listen to people who are trying to help you,it will save you a alot of time and effort.

[HandyAndy]

Hi mate getting 2 loads to shoot the same POi with a 243 isnt really hard to do,you see a 243 dosent really come alive unless your at 200 yards,try your loads at that distance and see what you get.
just an obvservation but maybe you should listen to people who are trying to help you,it will save you a alot of time and effort.

Well, that has really burst my bubble! I was really proud of the fact I succeeded in achieving what I had set out to do. On my first attempt.

I have listened to and taken heed of what many have said. But I can't follow everyone's suggestions??

I have been out with new loads I mentioned beforehand, not all good results, I won't be getting any more hp bullets. There pants, but the 40 gr vmax have done quite good. I set up at 50 yards and there was a wind blowing over me from behind going straight forward. Shooting off a bipod over the car bonnet I got the following result with 11.1 gr and an oal of 1.789 and a light crimp here

Yes only 50 yards. But it can be worked on and improved until such time I can get more rem brass, different propellant and different bullets such as some 34gr dogtown sp's and 35gr vmax.

Thanks again to all who have posted suggestions, I wish you all a Happy New Year and straight shooting for 2013.

[gpointer]

Well, that has really burst my bubble! I was really proud of the fact I succeeded in achieving what I had set out to do. On my first attempt.


Thanks again to all who have posted suggestions, I wish you all a Happy New Year and straight shooting for 2013.

sorry about that,but sometimes bubbles need to be burst.you will never really know what you have achieved unless you go past 100 yards,as thats no test for a CF rifle.espeically a 243 as its only just getting going so most if not all loads will hit the same POi

[HandyAndy]

sorry about that,but sometimes bubbles need to be burst.you will never really know what you have achieved unless you go past 100 yards,as thats no test for a CF rifle.espeically a 243 as its only just getting going so most if not all loads will hit the same POi

gpointer, No need to apologise, I recognise what your saying, What I am always conscious of when out shooting, is to shoot with in my own capabilities. I have very seldom had the occasion or the cause to shoot further than the 100 yard mark, until more recently, when I have started more actively going out foxing. Note to self, "try more range time over the 100 yards".

Going back to the above post I put up;

I have taken the upper weight for the H4198 propellant and reduced it by 4 grains to 11.1gr and loaded some with the 36gr hp bullets. Then using the same charge I loaded some with the 40gr VMAX. All as near as I could get them to the Lee book OAL. Using the same recipe, I have managed to load 5 off with the new PPU brass I have.

One thing that has struck me is in the Lee book, the case length is shown to be [neil, yes I got this wrong above] 1.403", yet when I have sized the case length with the lee tool. It cuts the case shorter than this?? Strange but true, you would expect their own tool to correspond with the book?

Following on from the testing I did the other day, I got some better results, the 40 gr vmax did surprisingly well, compared to before and the 36 gr hp's were just as bad. (i wont be using those again) I was limited to the range I was able to test them at, so at 55 yards I set the rifle on the bi-pod over the bonnet of the motor, propped up the target board in front of the backstop and it started raining.

Here are the results of the 3 shot groups I shot, when I went up the farm first 2 groups and then the better group, 3rd group

The group in the first pic, that is not marked [2] was the result from the 40gr VMAX rounds loaded in the PPU brass at an OAL of 1.780". Then the ones marked as 2, were the result of the rem brass loaded rounds at an OAL of 1.7660", again using 40gr VMAX.
The group in the second pic, were again loaded in rem brass with the 40gr VMAX but to an OAL of 1.788 which just fits in to the mag.

Moving on, I have ordered some 35gr VMAX, some Lilgun and some H110 propellant. I will be getting some Federal primers and a bag of rem brass. Then its just a case of working to the Lee book recipes to find the best combination.

I am going to phone SYSS tomorrow to see if they have stock of the 34gr dogtown bullets. Can they be posted out or are the RFD to RFD?

A great big thank you to all who have added to this thread, it has been a quite steep learning curve, but hopefully it will be worthwhile.