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Thread: Two rifles HW95 / SMK 20S Comparison - An honest test -

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyHolden View Post
    An excellent review and comparison, just as a side note, I believe one of the SMK synthetics is supposed to be a copy of the Diana 31, I think it may be the Synxs, but without the two stage trigger.
    I know the SYNSG is a copy of the Diana 280, not sure about the Synxs.

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    Check out Brutz clone list for Chinese models vs originals

    http://chineseairgunportal.brutuz.com/clonelist.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazmati2020 View Post
    Check out Brutz clone list for Chinese models vs originals

    http://chineseairgunportal.brutuz.com/clonelist.htm
    I was trying to find that list earlier, can't see the Diana 31 mentioned tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by look no hands View Post
    The finish isn't as good as a HW, the blueing is very grey and not that deep and they are very rough around the edges but if you spent a couple of hours just finishing them off they are perfectly capable of lasting for years of good shooting, don't knock the Chinese because they have the balls to copy other manafacturers designs, yes I know and othes know that it is moraly wrong to do what they do but if people wish to buy them then they will, some of us like to tinker and try to improve and they are perfectly fine for that use, surely it's better to get someone into our sport by getting them on the shooting ladder by buying a cheap Chinese or Turkish air rifle and then at a later date when they've saved and improved they can then buy an Air Arms or HW.
    Also like has been said in the past, not to long ago HW's where having bad QC problems and people were having to replace cut off springs, at least with Chinese rifles springs they were finished properly, fair enough the spring may have been made from fuse wire but at least it didn't chew up the innards.

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    I do understand that we all like a bit of tuning,i myself have a b2,i dont think ive shot it in 2years,ther ok 30 but when they try and step it up a notch they just wasting there time,and the turkish guns are poor miles better than the chinese but still poor,and air gun reviews dont help,when i got back into air guns i bought a webley ags...the reviews would have you belive it was a capable air gun in truth it was CRAP,why not support are own fantastic guns,my advice would be get a b2 if your having fun and want somthing better,save up and buy a top end springer.

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    The XS208 and Synsg are copies of the Diana 34. I have the TH208 (which has the same action as the XS208 just different stock), and find it very sweet to shoot. I also have a HW95k Luxus and although the trigger is not quite as light as the HW trigger, it is still crisp and predictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotversion View Post
    I do understand that we all like a bit of tuning,i myself have a b2,i dont think ive shot it in 2years,ther ok 30 but when they try and step it up a notch they just wasting there time,and the turkish guns are poor miles better than the chinese but still poor,and air gun reviews dont help,when i got back into air guns i bought a webley ags...the reviews would have you belive it was a capable air gun in truth it was CRAP,why not support are own fantastic guns,my advice would be get a b2 if your having fun and want somthing better,save up and buy a top end springer.
    I was hoping to give the smk a hard time, but actually the hw has since had to have the spring out and reduced in size as it kept going up ......

    If you pick up the xs20, or Diana copy at a fair price, and know you will have to spend a bit on them they are accurate rifles, albeit a bit more pellet fussy. Really HW Diana AA are going to have to make sure that at the prices the stuff goes out at, that a tune is an improvement rather than necessity, like it is as the moment. In fairness the AA stuff shoots ok 'out of thebox', but they only make lumping great under levers.

    There was a time when everyone slated Japanses cars, remember early Datsun's ??

    This was my thread, to give an honest take on the current state of play, as there are people in both camps who simply don't give an even handed review of stuff. The xs20 is not as good as the 95, but it's pretty well made and accurate, and didn't come with a factory flaw in the main tube either .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by chekov View Post
    My last 95k was was inferior to previous 95's I have had. The blueing was shocking. It was almost brown. There was a noticeable difference in colour between the barrel and the barrel weight. Sights were plastic. They are in my opinion built down to a price and not up to a standard. Poor show Weihrauch!!!
    Do you remember the year of production of your last 95K? ... or the serial number?

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    I have both XS20 and TH208, both have tune kits that have given them delrin guides, tophat and a TitanXS springs properly cut to size. I have used Maccari piston seals in both. The XS20 needed the Weihrauch trigger blade replacement to get a proper 2 stage trigger and feel, but 13 is peanuts for a trigger upgrade.
    Both were bought new and at the right time to get a rock bottom price.
    I've had the XS20 for 6 years, the basic gun cost 80. It cocks smooth as glass and shoots the same way and will produce a raggy hole at 30yds on superdomes
    The TH208 is the copy of the RWS/Diana model 34 action but in an ambi thumbhole stock and cost 123, now being 3 years old. Very nearly a smooth as the XS20 and will produce equal accuracy with either AA Field or Crosman Ultra Mag. Both guns have barrel weights as standard, nothing clever here, just keeping the muzzle under control.
    Both are .22 and the power is set by me so as to be legal with their respective most efficient pellets.
    The fit and finish on both are more than acceptable irrespective of price, good but not great.
    Spending 50 or so on a set of bespoke internals and a couple of hours of your time on a springer seems to be par for the course no matter what you bought or what you paid for it.
    Both are going strong and neither has any "manufacturing issues" nor developed any fault.
    Good guns, good price, as accurate as some and as good as most. At these prices, cleverer than they have any right to be.
    Give them some halfway decent optics (both have Nikko Stirling Gold Crown Airking 4x12x42 AO) and they're a very competitive combination. They are not the quality of the guns they're modelled on but not that far removed and already performing just as well.

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    Nicely put, a very honest perspective from my own experience. I'm letting a' new shooter' have the xs20 for what it's cost me, and know it will be a sound rifle for him, and will help him to embrace the sport.
    When asked about rifles in future for newcomers I will include the Chinese guns, the difficulty comes in explaining that when you buy an airgun you have to spend money to get it working right, it's just farcical really, can you imagine buying anything else, having to take it to bits and or send it off to a specialist for it to work 'properly' ......that's all springers though, AA get some credit for factory stuff, largely based on the designs they largely stole from Venom after welching on a deal all those years ago -

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