Webley oil can on the bay

[Tantomurata]

Is this original or a replica?

e bay item #261145943285

[MattyBoy]

I would say replica

I'm not an expert though...

Matty

[Garvin]

I sincerely hope it's genuine because if it isn't it looks like it may have been 'distressed' to look older and the blurb is tending to lead readers to arrive at only one conclusion without spelling it out... If anyone will know the answer, it's Troubledshooter.

[Troubledshooter]

It's certainly not an 'Original' Webley Valvespout Oil Can.
It may be a Dave Lewis replica can as it's close to the original can's measurements, as are Dave's cans, and it also has a replica of the original unaltered label, which I know Dave uses.
It's already reached £72, so I hope the bidders know what they are bidding on, as there are several features that clearly indicate it's not an original.
It really is a case of Caveat Emptor.

[micky]

It's certainly not an 'Original' Webley Valvespout Oil Can.
It may be a Dave Lewis replica can as it's close to the original can's measurements, as are Dave's cans, and it also has a replica of the original unaltered label, which I know Dave uses.
It's already reached £72, so I hope the bidders know what they are bidding on, as there are several features that clearly indicate it's not an original.
It really is a case of Caveat Emptor.

That was my thoughts as well, because its the sam seller as sold the Webley case a few weeks ago, and if they are implying that its an original oil can then Caveat Emptor does not come into.

[micky]

That was my thoughts as well, because its the sam seller as sold the Webley case a few weeks ago, and if they are implying that its an original oil can then Caveat Emptor does not come into.

I should have said Caveat Emptor does come into it.

[Troubledshooter]

As the title states it's a Webley oil can, it could be construed as being an original Webley product, which it isn't, and nowhere in the description does he suggest otherwise.
On several occasions over the years, I have contacted sellers to suggest their descriptions are wrong or misleading, but invariably the descriptions remain unaltered, and someone doesn't get what he/she thought they were purchasing.
This is not exclusive to Eb@y, as it also occurs on this site on occasion, accidentally or otherwise.

[edbear2]

It will be interesting to see if any of the bids are cancelled by anyone reading this information (I have no connection to the seller, or interest in the item).

ATB, Ed

[Tantomurata]

I thought it might be 'wrong', which is why I started the post, but I was going on just my gut feeling rather than any knowledge of the cans.

[Troubledshooter]

This is an original non refillable Webley Valvespout Oil Can:

http://mynetimages.com/69195a31d5.jpg

The Valvespout mounting bears no similarity with the one under discussion, and the top plate assembly is machine crimped to the can body, whereas the Eb@y one is soldered, as it would be if it is a Dave lewis can.

[Rocket launcher]

pmed seller to ask if it was a repro got this answer in reply

i did not buy it as a reproduction, but i am not a webley expert so cant be 100% sure

which he has also put on thread so seller may be genuine

[air-tech]

Metal looks too good, and the label, rather than "faded" looks like an un-faded copy of a faded label...

Also, would the original have been soldered?

The only thing that looks genuinely old is the filler spout but I have no idea whether that was available for a zillion other oil cans.

[micky]

pmed seller to ask if it was a repro got this answer in reply

i did not buy it as a reproduction, but i am not a webley expert so cant be 100% sure

which he has also put on thread so seller may be genuine

It would seem that the seller was duped when he brought the cased set in the first place ?

[fixit]

This is an original non refillable Webley Valvespout Oil Can:

http://mynetimages.com/69195a31d5.jpg

The Valvespout mounting bears no similarity with the one under discussion, and the top plate assembly is machine crimped to the can body, whereas the Eb@y one is soldered, as it would be if it is a Dave lewis can.

I have had a look at the can and in the second picture when zoomed you can see that the solder is only
to one side of the spout as if it has been repaired. So the can may be correct even if the label is not

[Troubledshooter]

pmed seller to ask if it was a repro got this answer in reply

i did not buy it as a reproduction, but i am not a webley expert so cant be 100% sure

which he has also put on thread so seller may be genuine

Good to see the seller has responded to your question in a positive manner.

I have had a look at the can and in the second picture when zoomed you can see that the solder is only
to one side of the spout as if it has been repaired. So the can may be correct even if the label is not.

If you compare the pictures, it should be fairly obvious the item offered is not an 'original'.

The only thing that looks genuinely old is the filler spout but I have no idea whether that was available for a zillion other oil cans.

The 'Valvespout' itself was fitted to other variants of the period, but the one fitted to the 'Webley' oil can was non removable, and therefore the can was non refillable, which is why they are so scarce, as most were discarded once the contents had been exhausted.
The 'Valvespout' is still used on current oil containers, which is where I obtain the spouts for my replica oil cans, although I do shroud the knurled part of the spout to make it a more faithfully replica. I know Dave uses 'Valvespouts' taken from old oil cans, so the spout will be genuine, although not of the type used for the original Webley can.