Old School Venom lazaglide Vs Modern V-mach Weihrauchs...

[Baxterbasics]

My Venom lazaglided 77 trophy would have cost £510.00 in 1987-what does that equate to in modern money? You see where I'm going with this......

[davegee59]

what a load of old codswallop tony that 77 will outshoot any of your gasrammed springers lol
it is a bit hard to cock tho,but its not bad for me coz i'm a big un,and you know i do prefer a nice soft plob of the old venoms
but this is the only springer that ive found 100% accurate as i'm far too lazy,this thing shoots the same held or rested,its just sooooo quick the pellets up the range before you feel anything,but then again i'm no expert like you ive only been shooting and messing with springers for a couple of weeks,i haven't got a clue
see you sunday toe

[bigtoe01]

what a load of old codswallop tony that 77 will outshoot any of your gasrammed springers lol
it is a bit hard to cock tho,but its not bad for me coz i'm a big un,and you know i do prefer a nice soft plob of the old venoms
but this is the only springer that ive found 100% accurate as i'm far too lazy,this thing shoots the same held or rested,its just sooooo quick the pellets up the range before you feel anything,but then again i'm no expert like you ive only been shooting and messing with springers for a couple of weeks,i haven't got a clue
see you sunday toe

its not as good as my HW55 Dave and you know it LOL


Its a beautiful rifle...im not going to knock the workmanship on it as it is way way better than anything I can do, I just did not like the way it cocked, as much as I don't like the way my 440TH cocks either. And as you say its devastatingly accurate. A collector would buy it for what it is, a superb piece of airgun engineering...and leave it as is, i would tinker with it and it wouldn't be a venom any more.

Now the one that Les has/had...I like that one more.

Thinking about it I bet a spring change would transform the gun, im wondering if something longer/thinner would soften up the cocking cycle but deliver similar power..the gun will remain quick and not hold sensitive due to the ally piston it has I bet.

last..Dave, you know I know you taught me everything you know.... or is it I know ...especially the 9/64th part

I will say this, Venom did experiment...seen 4 old 77's now and not one is the same spec as the other.

Im shooting my .22 hw80 gas ram on sunday...the one you hate

[Mattatack]

My Venom lazaglided 77 trophy would have cost £510.00 in 1987-what does that equate to in modern money? You see where I'm going with this......

yeah you're obviously fed up with it and intend on passing it on to some unsuspecting mug

[Happy-Harry]

My Venom lazaglided 77 trophy would have cost £510.00 in 1987-what does that equate to in modern money? You see where I'm going with this......

£1173

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/b...nged-1900.html

[brucegill]

£1173

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/b...nged-1900.html

oh bugger, do you do 0% finance Graham??

[Baxterbasics]

£1173

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/b...nged-1900.html

The point I am trying to make-everything is now built to a price How many man hours were spent honing the originals to perfection? Or is it a case of the apprentice has truly become the master

[Amac]

For me, Steve Pope is still the man to beat tuning wise. Lets face it, he has true "Venom" blood in his veins.

Andy

[Baxterbasics]

For me, Steve Pope is still the man to beat tuning wise. Lets face it, he has true "Venom" blood in his veins.

Andy

Agree 100%-buying or selling an expensive tuned spring rifle, provenance is essential-Steve Pope is obviously at the top of the tree right now

What I am asking is: how does his work compare to the Venom rifles of old?

[bozzer]

Agree 100%-buying or selling an expensive tuned spring rifle, provenance is essential-Steve Pope is obviously at the top of the tree right now

What I am asking is: how does his work compare to the Venom rifles of old?

I tried to answer that in my last post by saying that I personally found no difference in the cocking, firing or accuracy of my 77 with the old Venom kit or the new V-Mach kit.

The other work inside the gun Steve will have learned from his Dad anyway.

Surely the proof is in the pudding ... ie the end result.

If this was a car engine I suppose you put the pedal to the floor and you see what the max power is ... or top speed ... so you have a figure to compare like with like. So is this new one better than the last one etc.

... but once a gun cocks as smooth as a smooth thing ... and it fires with a fast and minimal thud ... and you are getting groups that are as tight as is possible given tolerences of pellets and the thing pulling the trigger ... then you've reached a point where it doesn't really matter ... and/or it's not possible to tell the difference between the two.

I think we've reached this point now with kits from V-Mach and Welsh Willy etc. I've said before that you can then start buttoning or going to the extremes that Bigtoe does to satisfy personal curiosity ... but you won't get 'noticably' any better result.

[Baxterbasics]

You make valid points-down to personal preference really

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