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    Webley Alecto Modifying Sights?

    I have recently treated myself to a Webley Alecto and have to say I am well impressed . I originally bought it for a bit of fun plinking (being until now an rifle only man). However I did a bit of plinking and it was happy to poke holes in cans all day long at over 35 yards, so I thought I would try the clubs indoor 10M range. This is were I discovered a problem. The rear sight seams really narrow and with the painted red dot and black front blade against the black of the Target bull, the sights seem to simply blend in and disappear making consistency impossible. My eyes are not brilliant and I need glasses when using iron sights, but I am not blind either, so I cant believe I am the only person to notice this (am I?).
    I am now addicted to 10M pistol, I love it and would really like to find a fix for my sights to help me improve my consistency. Has anyone modified the stock sights with success or found any after market improved replacements?

    I have so far painted, using an extra fine white paint pen, the indent around the rear sight and this has made a big difference to its definition (I can post pics if anyone would like to see the result), I am now considering whether to paint the front blade white or maybe drill out the red dot and fit a fibre optic, if I can find or salvage a bit from somewhere. Any other ideas guys?

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    I'd offer two options:

    1) Get your eyes checked by an optometrist who is known to competitive shooters as one who understands the requirements of formal target shooters, and have a corrective lens made to yet your point of focus somewhere slightly ahead of your front sight. The standard wisdom is for focus exactly ON the front sight with the target blurred, but if your preference is for centre aim this is less than ideal, at least in my opinion. I prefer a lens which puts my relaxed focus at about 1metre ahead of the front sight, then use an iris on the back of that lens to adjust apparent focus such that both sights and the target are more or less crisp. I centre-aim as well, though not with that pistol - I use a Pardini K10 for the past year though I often also practice with my older Baikal 46m. Seeing the sight alignment clearly when aiming against black is difficult, but good focus helps a lot.

    2) Consider sub-6 hold instead of centre-aim. Aligning the sights against white is the majority method and it's quite understandable; the black sights don't get lost against the off-white paper. Of course there are lots of other arguments for sub-6, but there's loads of reading online to address those. Tried it, lots, didn't like it, so I aim for centre.

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    Alecto sight

    I fitted a Walther laser sight to mine, and it is deady accurate at 6 yds; I'm waiting on a Sutter reflex red dot sight, so I can set that at 10mtrs without having to change the laser. I already have a Sutter on my CP99, but the rail on the Alecto is 19 mil as opposed to the 11 mil on my Walther. The Sutter sight is a brilliant bit of kit, light and by far the best red dot I've bought and used.

    http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...psf024db24.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerard View Post
    I'd offer two options:

    1) Get your eyes checked by an optometrist who is known to competitive shooters as one who understands the requirements of formal target shooters, and have a corrective lens made to yet your point of focus somewhere slightly ahead of your front sight. The standard wisdom is for focus exactly ON the front sight with the target blurred, but if your preference is for centre aim this is less than ideal, at least in my opinion. I prefer a lens which puts my relaxed focus at about 1metre ahead of the front sight, then use an iris on the back of that lens to adjust apparent focus such that both sights and the target are more or less crisp. I centre-aim as well, though not with that pistol - I use a Pardini K10 for the past year though I often also practice with my older Baikal 46m. Seeing the sight alignment clearly when aiming against black is difficult, but good focus helps a lot.

    2) Consider sub-6 hold instead of centre-aim. Aligning the sights against white is the majority method and it's quite understandable; the black sights don't get lost against the off-white paper. Of course there are lots of other arguments for sub-6, but there's loads of reading online to address those. Tried it, lots, didn't like it, so I aim for centre.

    Thanks Gerard, a lot of food for thought there, I had not even thought of moving my hold (that's the difference between you professionals and us amateurs hey lol). Having always shot rifles with the crosshair or mildot (with the exception of wind allowance) exactly on the aim point. I will also now pay more attention to my focal point whilst trying out the new holds. I am due for an eye test next week so will be sure to ask if they can recommend a specialist. I can't wait to get to the range now to try out my new found education.

    I found this whilst reading up on sub-6, seems quite useful http://www.odcmp.org/0907/USAMU_SightPicture.asp.

    Also, I still think that an alternative to black iron sights would make more sense when aiming against a black target, or maybe its just me being a noob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1943 View Post
    I fitted a Walther laser sight to mine, and it is deady accurate at 6 yds; I'm waiting on a Sutter reflex red dot sight, so I can set that at 10mtrs without having to change the laser. I already have a Sutter on my CP99, but the rail on the Alecto is 19 mil as opposed to the 11 mil on my Walther. The Sutter sight is a brilliant bit of kit, light and by far the best red dot I've bought and used.

    http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...psf024db24.jpg

    Thanks Dave, I wondered about using a red dot, but not sure they are legal in 10M pistol competition as I have never seen anyone else use them.

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    mine is fitted with a red dot sight,cant miss now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcham View Post
    mine is fitted with a red dot sight,cant miss now.

    I took mine off for that very reason - gets rather boring when you can't miss.

    Ian

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    Unfortunately for red dot enthusiasts nothing but open 'iron' sights are permitted under ISSF 10 metre air pistol competition rules. No enclosure around the front sight, only an open U shape for the rear. I don't know if they have a ruling pertaining to inserted fiber optic elements... But certainly no red dots, scopes, lasers, nor anything projecting outside the maximum box size at pistol inspection before a match - 200mm x 50mm x 420mm. The pistol can sit at any angle in the box, but if it doesn't fit in any dimension you'll have some carving to do before re-inspection and passing along to shooting. Trigger weight must also be above 500grams, and loads of other rules. The latest revision of the whole rulebook is available here, just click the link on that page and you'll get a big PDF:
    http://www.issf-sports.org/

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    Woops, wrong page. Here's the ISSF English rules download page:
    http://www.issf-sports.org/theissf/rules.ashx

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