MPL 6 yard Postal Competition.

[zooma]

Is there really any need to have an official scorer?As it can be shot anywhere unwitnessed.why not date and sign your cards,shoot then post on here or email,then randomly choose a few shooters each month to have their cards sent in and officially checked.
This would save what could end up hundreds of cards having to be marked by Phil.

Somebody has to co-ordinate and make sure everything is working well, and part if that process is to ensure we have a consistent scoring process.

We have already seen examples of "individual" scoring !

The consistent impartiality of of a permanent scorer will help competitors know that this will be a well run and organised competition, and following our meeting last night, the organisers of this series of events certainly hope we will have the problem of dealing with hundreds of cards to worry about in the future.

To get to this stage we would need a NARPA like entry success rate, and if we do achieve this we will be delighted.

As more shooters submit their scores as scans, the workload is reduced and the storage problems diminish, so although we would encourage this, we are still pleased to see the paper targets and may well ask to see some of the scanned targets at random from time to time.

Having said that, I would not discount your idea as we could still take the option of requesting self-scored cards at random now and again and this would remove the need to have a series scorer - more like a referee who would only check a few cards at random if for any reason he felt it was worth doing at any time - and possibly never!

[mrfixit]

Or we could just make it easy and have all 3 comps.5 cards

[I. J.]

Or we could just make it easy and have all 3 comps.5 cards

Why? Are you struggling to count to 6?

MPL = MUSCLE Power League. Us, shall we say, more delicate of the species , (more brain than brawn) find it difficult to cock a proper spring pistol in comp more than 20 times.

Let there be a scoring God! Their word is FINAL. No ifs or buts.

ATB
Ian

[mickson]

Thanks Andi.

I'll include your suggestion in the rules.

I briefly mentioned the 4 cards to Bob. This is a difficult call, as there will be voters for and against.

6 cards at home, in your own time, is easily manageable; whereas 6 in a club environment maybe a trite more tricky, depending upon what else is on. The current MPL is 4 cards and the CCL is 6, so we do currently have a bit of a discrepancy.

We are, of course, open to discussion on this point, and it would be interesting to hear what others think.

I, personally, will probably shoot this at home so 6 won't be a problem.

I have experienced self scoring, and score manipulation, in other competitions, and this really spoilt it for me, so a central scoring point is a good thing to have. I do have assistance on offer for this, should it be required, so I am not anticipating to much of a problem.

Only time will tell.

Sadly i won't be able to join in with this comp, but if i was i would be delighted that its being verified so there is just one std score checking using the correct gauge, good luck all enjoy & i hope its a great success, ...mike...

[zooma]

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[I. J.]

My one slight contention is with - ' ....with a witness to sign the shot cards to confirm they have been shot by the competitor...'
As I will be shooting down my hall way (NOT my back passage ) I will have all my doors locked. For safety s sake I do not want anyone else in my house. (Im giving all the servants the day off. )

ATB
Ian

[zooma]

Keep checking the rules at the top of this thread as they are amended as we refine them ready for action.

The rules have been updated today to include the changes discussed and agreed to date .anybody noticed...can anyone name the changes?....

[I. J.]

Keep checking the rules at the top of this thread as they are amended as we refine them ready for action.

The rules have been updated today to include the changes discussed and agreed to date .anybody noticed...can anyone name the changes?....

Lucy is a nice name! 'Lucy Change'.

[zooma]

The place to read and see the official RMTC rules for the proposed 6 yard MPL Postal League is at the head of this thread, and I would encourage anyone with any interest in the series to refer to them.

The rules are now completed and displayed here and alongside the 10 meter MPL rules on the RMTC club site, and will hopefully be displayed on all of the air gun forums and interested club sites to help promote the series and to encourage anyone who would like to have a go to join in.

The 6 yard MPL postal series will run with the same 6 month time cycles as the current 10 meter series, so we start this by shooting the first six cards to be completed by the end of June 2013.

The MPL logo will be used to promote and attach to the series so we keep it truly independent and politic free so any forum or club should feel happy to promote and display it for us in the future.

I have ordered enough Air 8 targets to run the series with and will keep plenty spare to offer to anyone that only wants to buy a few to practice with, but they can be bought in bulk by anyone direct from the NSRA shop if a larger stash is required.

[zooma]

The rules have been updated - please check.

[zooma]

One last thought?

Mr Fixit suggested self-scoring earlier in this thread, and I gave all the good reasons why an impartial scorer would be better.

However, I have had some emails suggesting that the honesty system of self scoring would be better as it would be much simpler and actually preferred.

Please let me know if you think this idea is a better way forward:

Scoring.

1/. All shooters should score their own shot targets and email the scores to us at the end of each month. Shot cards can also have the scores checked or even scored by another competitor if you have this option and prefer not to score your own.

2/. If you have a shot that is difficult to score or you are not sure of, please show it to another competitor or try and resolve it yourself. If you have any doubt - always score yourself down rather than up so you can gain a workable average you can repeat or try to improve upon in the future.

3/. A simple email such as the example below with your name and the competition month concerned with the scores displayed as shown here is all we need to record your score at the end of each month. Please also let us know what pistol and pellets you used to shoot your cards with.

Ian Bloggs. June 2013. 38 + 34 + 37 + 41 + 44 + 39 = 233. GAMO Centre. Hobby pellets.

4/.You should keep your cards safe for 2 months after they are shot as some may be requested for random checking. Any requested cards should be posted to us, and if they are not available they will be given a zero score.


This is about as simple as it gets and we will do the administration and display everyones score together during the second week after the end of each month.

[p.m.h]

A sensible way to score the cards, which will probably attract more competitors than a scanned / posted option.

All I would add is for the shooter to list their pistol and pellets, as this makes for good statistics and it is of interest to other shooters.

Kind regards,



Phil

[karandras]

One last thought?

Mr Fixit suggested self-scoring earlier in this thread, and I gave all the good reasons why an impartial scorer would be better.

However, I have had some emails suggesting that the honesty system of self scoring would be better as it would be much simpler and actually preferred.

Please let me know if you think this idea is a better way forward:

Self scoring pretty much makes point 5 in the scoring section of the first post invalid doesn't it?

5/. To avoid any time wasting, any challenges for a disputed score must be accompanied with a cash payment for £5. This will be refunded in full in the event of a successful challenge, but donated to RMTC funds if unsuccessful.

IMHO, i think point 1 in the pistols and pellets section should be changed from....

Any single shot .177 air pistol that complies with the main MPL rules will be eligible for this competition - if in doubt, please check the main MPL rules.

To

Only .177 Single shot spring powered, SSP (single stroke pneumatic) or MSP (muli-stroke pneumatic) pistols can be used in this competition and must comply with the current regulations by operating at 6 ft/lbs or less. All CO2 and PCP pistols are specifically banned.

Why make people unfamiliar with the MPL go looking for the they types of pistols allowed?

[zooma]

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[zooma]

The MPL is a nice simple competition and the 6 yard version of it should be basically the same - but with the added appeal of being able to be shot over a shorter distance - and possibly at home for those that are not members of any club as well as those that are.

Hopefully the rules are as brief as they need to be and I have resisted the temptation to over explain or complicate them.

They are further simplified by not having any bonus scoring system like the 10 meter version of this same competition as I think the shorter distance involved negates the need - and it will be interesting to see how it works without the bonus system.

This is a new competition based on the existing MPL series in response to the enquiries we have had since we started the MPL to include those that are not members of a club that can accommodate them, and those that cannot find enough members to form a club team.

It is very hard to get any new competition to work, and many have failed to make it - but I think this one has the appeal of the successful MPL series and stands a chance of giving the individual something they can have a go at and enjoy.

Can I suggest we get started with the rules as shown on this thread, I have made some small changes that have been suggested by exisiting MPL shooters, and now I think they are good enough and workable to live with - at least for the first six months