HFT style shoots that are not UKAHFT organised

[dwb]

Just had disturbing phone call, from a family in the Northeast that went to one of these,HFT style shoots and found it slightly alarming,
poor safety
no one in proper control,
a bit of a shambles,
he wanted to know from me if this was normal at UKAHFT shoots ,
I told him in no uncertain terms that he had not been too a UKAHFT organised shoots ,
he had been too a HFT style shoots that was out to make money

There is nothing wrong with going to a HFT style shoots just understand ,the rules might be slightly different, the safety might not be as good,

it up to you to check with the person organisers the HFT style shoots first

There is a list of official UKAHFT shoots on their web site ,on the BFTA web site,
all the rest are just HFT style shoots and you take your chances

DWBaines

[I. J.]

Our forthcoming Charity Shoot is a HFT STYLE shoot using rules we, as a club, have formulated over nearly 20 years experience of outdoor knock down target shooting. (i.e. 2 and 1 scoring).
At last years event we gave a pre-shoot safety talk and explained the rights and wrong with the aid of photos where necessary. Copies of the safety rules where displayed prominently all around the ranges and it was the specific job of non-shooting marshals to 'patrol' the firing points on the main range at all times. While the competitions side of it will be informal (i.e. funny hat competition ), we want to encourage the newcomer and first time outdoor target shooter, but the safety aspect will be strict.
We are, unashamedly trying to make as much money as possible but every penny taken from the shooting events will benefit our chosen charity.
Last years successful format will be taken again at this years event and a copy of our clubs rules and regulations governing this competition are displayed on our web site.

[Gary C]

Just had disturbing phone call, from a family in the Northeast that went to one of these,HFT style shoots and found it slightly alarming,
poor safety
no one in proper control,
a bit of a shambles,
he wanted to know from me if this was normal at UKAHFT shoots ,
I told him in no uncertain terms that he had not been too a UKAHFT organised shoots ,
he had been too a HFT style shoots that was out to make money

There is nothing wrong with going to a HFT style shoots just understand ,the rules might be slightly different, the safety might not be as good,

it up to you to check with the person organisers the HFT style shoots first

There is a list of official UKAHFT shoots on their web site ,on the BFTA web site,
all the rest are just HFT style shoots and you take your chances

DWBaines

Well said Dave.
A few of us have been there and done that.

[I. J.]

R.R. rules and ethics. Who says kill zones have to be round? What about oblong and vertical. get the windage wrong on THAT one.
Why do targets have to be still? The 'swinging squirrel' (or S.O.D.) moves about in the wind as does the one on the raft. Then theres the ....... but that would be telling. We all have bums, some bigger than others true, why not use them?
Does it really matter who wins? (Except to the winner ) We are all winners when the Draw Prizes are handed out at the end of the days safe shooting and the junior or first time competitor goes home with a new scope or gun bag. The winner, in our case, is the charity and the image of airgunners in general.

[sparky]

R.R. rules and ethics. Who says kill zones have to be round? What about oblong and vertical. get the windage wrong on THAT one.
Why do targets have to be still? The 'swinging squirrel' (or S.O.D.) moves about in the wind as does the one on the raft. Then theres the ....... but that would be telling. We all have bums, some bigger than others true, why not use them?
Does it really matter who wins? (Except to the winner ) We are all winners when the Draw Prizes are handed out at the end of the days safe shooting and the junior or first time competitor goes home with a new scope or gun bag. The winner, in our case, is the charity and the image of airgunners in general.

Hi Ian

i think you have gone off the original subject here.

Pete

[andy_scouser]

There is a list of official UKAHFT shoots on their web site ,on the BFTA web site, all the rest are just HFT style shoots and you take your chances
DWBaines

We, at Tawd Vale, follow the rules to the letter with our HFT competitions. Including yellow bibbed marshals and are very strict with our safety breif and and safety during the shoot. To say all the rest are of less quality and are lower safety is very unfair. Don't tar all clubs with the same brush please.

[Coney]

We, at Tawd Vale, follow the rules to the letter with our HFT competitions. Including yellow bibbed marshals and are very strict with our safety breif and and safety during the shoot. To say all the rest are of less quality and are lower safety is very unfair. Don't tar all clubs with the same brush please.

The same applies to Anston hft shoots, we always start off with a safety brief and we try to ensure that everyone has a safe but fun day out and all visitors and members are covered by our insurance whilst on the club ground.

Alan.

[Raygun]

The problem here seems to be the same type as the one that bedevils airgunning in general. The few and far between muppet who shoots at a fireman and the rest of us get the blame. There will be the odd shoot put on where the safety requirements do not come up to scratch, but I think it unfair to say that all none UKAHFT should be avoided. Yes UKAHFT shoots will and should set the standard, it's up to the rest of the clubs who put shoots on, for whatever reasons, to make theirs as safe.
ATB
Ray.

[dwb]

If you read my original post, I am not knocking the clubs,
I am just informing the shooters to check first and not take it for granted,

there is no point complaining to the UKAHFT about a shoot that they have no control over



May be if the clubs publish their rules along with their advert for the shoot then people will know what they were going to ,

Or is that too much to ask

DWBaines

[figjam]

to make sure you are 100% safe and abiding by the rules!!!!!

download them from here!

http://www.ukahft.org.uk/home.htm

and the safety speech here!!!

http://www.ukahft.co.uk/2005/speech.htm

then maybe once youve had a bit of practice and feel confident in hft shoots to ukahft standard, ask pete or any ukahft representative for direct affiliation, all you have to do is abide by there rules 100% and your laughing!

new comers know there safe, and everyone has a good day out!

juniper green ARC has done so, and has never looked back!

also it gets everyone shooting the same rules and disciplines so theres no confusion when you turn up at a UKAHFT hosted round!

be a bit embarrasing if you got disqualified for doing something wrong, esecially if thats the way you club taught you?????

rgds

kenny

[kev hughes]

Cheers for that Dave. We work hard enough on our safety and dont want our record compromised by clubs who do not put the same emphasis on safety. People please dont tar UKAHFT events with the same brush as the HFT style events if their safety is not upto scratch.

Kev

[sparky]

Lads what Dave is trying to say if that UKAHFT gets contacted if anything goes wrong at a HFT when nothing to do with us, this is why ask the clubs who want to abide by our rules stick to them.

Tawd Vale, Anston, Juniper green & Shepreth are all affiliated with UKAHFT and abide with the rules of UKAHFT at present.

We are not trying to control any club in any form what so ever but all we ask if clubs want to be associated with UKAHFT even down to the course layout don’t label it a UKAHFT shoot as this is were the confusion sets in.

But if you advertise a HFT that doesn’t comply to UKAHFT rules its nothing to do with us.

Pete

[I. J.]

May be if the clubs publish their rules along with their advert for the shoot then people will know what they were going to ,

See below.

[jools27666]

anyone involved in our sport whether it be FT HFT rough or other shooting should make safety their first priority, dwb has been judge and jury in his statement ! - perhaps the people involved dont know they have lapsed in safety and they certainly wont know for the future if nobody points it out !
i dont for a moment understand what this thread actually acheives other than to distance the UKAHFT from everything else that pertains to be a hunter style shoot.
I, like many here would like to know what the problem was and who it involved so that we can make just as sure as the UKAHFT does that the same mistakes are not made.
if the people involved were purely out to profit from a poorly organised farse then we ought to know where to give a wide birth and they ought to be outed, it may however be the case that the profits were being raised for a good cause as the rivington shoot is, and the organisers were inexperienced... that being the case im sure they would not mind being publicly advised by the expert as to where they went wrong.

[dubworld]

I think some of you need to re-read Daves post a couple of times.

He has NOT put down any other club. He stated what was said to him about another shoot.

I went to a non ukahft shoot with gary-c (wonder if we will ever get the trophies we all won )and was appauled by the safety, and when I mentioned it to an organiser I was told in a round about way to leave if I didnt like it. Being involved in ukahft safety I felt that I had enough experience to be able to point out my concerns without fear of being wrong but they didnt seem to care.

So I agree with Daves statement entirely. If its not an official UKAHFT shoot then dont expect it to be the same and dont expect UKAHFT officials to be able to comment.

And bottom line is, if you dont feel safe then leave.