Greener air Rifle.

[Fronteria]

Greener parts, like the rifles, are quite rare and it is unlikely you will find anyone who is breaking one for spares. John Knibbs and others only seem to make spare parts for Webley, BSA and other popular brands. Even if you could identify which parts are missing/damaged you would need to provide parts drawings to whoever is prepared to attempt making bits for you and this would prove to be very difficult since I don't think these drawings are easy to find.
Perhaps whoever took it apart discovered the rifle was not performing properly and decided to try and 'fix' it. I cannot think of anything in that region which could easily be broken since the rifle is very robustly constructed but, however, he may have lost a part or parts. I think you need to be wary and if possible try and examine it more closely and then make a decision.

One of the cams was broken into four bits! on a closer look it was found that when the lever was removed it has broken through all four corners of the square in the cam, which enables the cam to be turned when the lever is moved to close the breech, force had been applied which caused the incorrectly assembled cam to break up.
A rare quality air rifle is probably a write off.
And I can't see anyone buying it at the price it was offer at, as getting the breech cam parts made is sure to be expensive.

[Josie & John]

One of the cams was broken into four bits! on a closer look it was found that when the lever was removed it has broken through all four corners of the square in the cam, which enables the cam to be turned when the lever is moved to close the breech, force had been applied which caused the incorrectly assembled cam to break up.
A rare quality air rifle is probably a write off.
And I can't see anyone buying it at the price it was offer at, as getting the breech cam parts made is sure to be expensive.

I'd hate to see such a classic written off and if the price of the repair is factored into the sale, then she may still be of use to someone. The damage sounds quite bad but I am no engineer and perhaps someone capable of repairing it could provide an estimate? Got to be worth a go.

John

[battyone]

Anything can be repaired or remade if it is unobtainium.
I've welded up ejectors for my brother in law on a couple of ancient winchester 50 cal rifles, when he couldn't get a replacement that worked.
It took loads of fiddly grinding to reshape after tiging, but they worked fine.

I've built up brass cams on clay throwers and all sorts of silly bits and pieces that weren't available or stupidly expensive.
If it helps his shooting club going it's all good.

If the pieces of the cam are still there,if it can't be repaired by welding at least it can be copied.

However if they want whole money for a broken rarity then everyone's screwed
It'll be a shame if a Greener is consigned to a skip!!!

If I can be of any help just give me a shout.

Nigel

[ashf9999]

As Nigel says, things can always be made....assuming you have an original pattern to copy from. If the cam is sheared, then something like laser welding can certainly rescue it. If it has been chewed up, then a careful study of the remaining bits may assist the manufacture of a new part. I guess if one has access to machine/mill the bits as required oneself then that's great. To approach an engineer (assuming they'd need to draw up the component as well) to make it could be prohibitively expensive. However, I wouldn't scrap it as you never know...

[Fronteria]

As Nigel says, things can always be made....assuming you have an original pattern to copy from. If the cam is sheared, then something like laser welding can certainly rescue it. If it has been chewed up, then a careful study of the remaining bits may assist the manufacture of a new part. I guess if one has access to machine/mill the bits as required oneself then that's great. To approach an engineer (assuming they'd need to draw up the component as well) to make it could be prohibitively expensive. However, I wouldn't scrap it as you never know...

I never purchased it as the asking price was £550 which I think is what one in very good condition would be valued at.

[ashf9999]

I meant worth holding on to if I was in the position of the owner. Totally agree that given the damage it is certainly overpriced at £550

[Josie & John]

I never purchased it as the asking price was £550 which I think is what one in very good condition would be valued at.

I'm not surprised at that price

Is the seller aware the damage considerably devalues the rifle?

John

[battyone]

I found 2 for sale - might have been 3- while looking for info.
All £1100 ish

[battyone]

I make things for the fun of it.If I can fix something that isn't supposed to be fixed I'm a happy bunny.
I've been a tinkerer for as long as I've been able.
I have a mill, lathe, ac/dc tig and more importantly these tools don't have to pay their way. It's just nice if/when they do.

Seriously if I can help resurrect a piece of Birmingham history I will. And not at machine shop costs.

[battyone]

A couple of good pics and some info here. http://www.birminghamgunmuseum.com/m...rgun_World.pdf

[AC99]

One of the cams was broken into four bits! on a closer look it was found that when the lever was removed it has broken through all four corners of the square in the cam, which enables the cam to be turned when the lever is moved to close the breech, force had been applied which caused the incorrectly assembled cam to break up.
A rare quality air rifle is probably a write off.
And I can't see anyone buying it at the price it was offer at, as getting the breech cam parts made is sure to be expensive.

I can add a bit more to the 'Grreener Saga'. Last night I met up with a mate who, last week, had the opportunity to take this rifle home with him and it examine it for a few days. The bloke selling the gun knew little about collectable airguns and was not the same person who dis-assembled it. The high point of the cam is clearly identified with a punch mark but it is possible to fit it in 4 different positions - the plate has a square cut-out into which fits the the square shaft running through the tap. It seems that on re-assembly this unknown person had fitted it 90 degrees out! On closing the breech and moving the locking lever back, inevitably some resistance was encountered and rather than just stop there and consider the possibility that you might just have got it wrong this person then seemingly applied further pressure in order to lock the breech. The long lever provides a high degree of mechanical advantage and the result was the square drive shaft broke through the thin side-wall (a couple of mm) at the four corners of the square hole it the cam plate.
On loading and firing a pellet there was a prolonged hiss of escaping air and the pellet barely left the barrel. The pellet seating mechanism had been severely impaired also the leakage may have been due to a damaged piston washer; either way it doesn't shoot and the stock is split apparently! The offered price now was £285; my mate offered him £100 which was declined. The whereabouts of the gun is now unknown - it is probably 'doing the rounds' and probably heading for a town near you. Look out for a shady character entering your local carrying a long package, "wanna buy a nice Greener guv -only £400 cash!" Caveat emptor - let the buyer beware!