New fwb sports

[gibboj]

hi all ,just thought id pass this info no to all you peps asking about the new fwb sports . called into Manchester air rifles the other day to pick up some pellets etc and we started talking and he told me he had spoken to the sale rep / importer and asked about the new fwb and was told it will not be avalible in the uk as a sub 12 flb rifle [only in fac in the uk] so that begs the question what are home market germans going to get for there 7 jouls limit [ fogot to ask ] . it all might add up, as we have all seen pics of the rifle but no demos or info in the press for the uk and there not pushing it .and for the price there asking imo there wont be a massive market for them

atb john

[eyebull]

Ah well, looks half-arsed anyway!

[gibboj]

your not wrong there pal
atb john

[Shed tuner]

Doesn't make sense... as you say, they are getting DE spec ones, and FAC spec, so one in the middle should be easy !

Anyone got any specs on stroke/bore/port yet ?

Rgds - JB

[gibboj]

hi JB , no one said there getting german spec ones [7 joule ] thay might not bother with them as well. who knows



atb john

[DoctorBoudreau]

I don't think it's going to ship.... I think FWB overestimated demand. We'll have to see what they do. They will need to cheapen it if they want to compete on price. If they want to charge as much as I've seen that's fine but it had better not cut corners. In today's dollars I think the listed price is cheaper than the original 124 .... maybe people aren't willing to pay now?

I'd support them if it's as nice as my FWB300 - I'd even pay over $1000 US. Be interesting to watch.

[Shed tuner]

hi JB , no one said there getting german spec ones [7 joule ] thay might not bother with them as well. who knows



atb john

Ahh, I see, sorry. But I thought I'd seen them on some DE sites ?

[greenwayjames]

hi all ,just thought id pass this info no to all you peps asking about the new fwb sports . called into Manchester air rifles the other day to pick up some pellets etc and we started talking and he told me he had spoken to the sale rep / importer and asked about the new fwb and was told it will not be avalible in the uk as a sub 12 flb rifle [only in fac in the uk] so that begs the question what are home market germans going to get for there 7 jouls limit [ fogot to ask ] . it all might add up, as we have all seen pics of the rifle but no demos or info in the press for the uk and there not pushing it .and for the price there asking imo there wont be a massive market for them

atb john

I'm willing to bet the low powered ones will be sold with a weak spring fitted and the proper one as an accessory on the German market. I cannot see FWB bothering to make a rifle with different internals for a small market where the legal requirements are less than the rifle was developed to acheive. Fact of life in the real world. High power US market only. Any disruption to production of a base high power model would be uneconomical.

[gibboj]

your proberly right greenways as bigtoe says theres a half a dozen way to get the rifle up or down in power its not rocket science . it just goes to show that with the dimensions that bigtoe has given [if some wear near right] the germans are designing FAC rifles from day one and not realy intrested in there own or uk market [which might be a tiny market by comparison to the usa market ?] it looks like the rifle will reach 18 flb with them mesurments .I think im right in saying the german 7 jouls law is only a probationaly period for new shooter / rifles ?. there must be a place in the usa market for air rifles but I would have though it would be very small or for kids as you can buy rim fires .22lr / 17hmr cheaper than top end air rifles,
atb john

[bigtoe01]

The original fwb sport has 28mm bore, 77mm stroke, the Diana 280 which is in essence a sport copy has the same bore and stroke. The fwb has a much shorter transfer port however and is more efficient..which makes it tune that little easier and is why it was more popular (and still is)
Any new fwb sport would do well to copy the old bore and stroke, but improve the trigger (which was its weak spot) and the stock.

To get it down to 7.5J i have a feeling fwb will have a piston running around 65mm stroke, maybe 70 tops, as long as the piston uses a latch rod this can be altered to push it back up to 77mm or so, however in .22 all that would be needed at 65mm stroke is a stiffer spring as long as the transfer port is short enough to get 15.5J, it may even be doable in .177 also...it all depends on the TP.

[Barryg]

but improve the trigger (which was its weak spot) and the stock.

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Don't forget the weak barrel lock up Tony
it only had one spring behind ball catch, I expect the new one will have two like Diana, if they keep the ball lock up.

[Snooper601]

The original fwb sport has 28mm bore, 77mm stroke, the Diana 280 which is in essence a sport copy has the same bore and stroke. The fwb has a much shorter transfer port however and is more efficient..which makes it tune that little easier and is why it was more popular (and still is)
Any new fwb sport would do well to copy the old bore and stroke, but improve the trigger (which was its weak spot) and the stock.

To get it down to 7.5J i have a feeling fwb will have a piston running around 65mm stroke, maybe 70 tops, as long as the piston uses a latch rod this can be altered to push it back up to 77mm or so, however in .22 all that would be needed at 65mm stroke is a stiffer spring as long as the transfer port is short enough to get 15.5J, it may even be doable in .177 also...it all depends on the TP.

My guess is that they won't use a latch rod because that's what most other manufacturers use and they want to be different, it'll probably be like the old one and use the outside of the piston, which makes it more difficult to change stroke.

Cheers

John

[Shed tuner]

My guess is that they won't use a latch rod because that's what most other manufacturers use and they want to be different, it'll probably be like the old one and use the outside of the piston, which makes it more difficult to change stroke.

Cheers

John

John, I'm sure my old sports do use a latch rod. Maybe it's you rammed one that's different (for obvious reasons !) ?