Daystate Regal - Few Questions!

[ToroTVR]

Hi,

Its looking like I will be buying my first pcp this week and I have pretty much set my mind on getting a .177 sub 12ftlb Daystate Regal with the larger XL cylinder (which is available as an option for an extra £20 although they try to keep this secret!). I have a few questions which I am hoping someone could answer (I have e-mailed Daystate quite a bit already!).

Anyone know what the shot count is on a .177 sub 12ftlb with the XL cylinder, the Daystate website does not say. I know that it is 82 shots or thereabouts for the normal cylinder. Don't want to have to order from factory for XL cylinder if you only get a few extra shots out of it!

Finally, on the Daystate website, they offer among the options for the Regal an "upgraded stock" but fail to actually describe what the upgrade is, show any photos or mention the cost! Anyone know what this upgrade is? Is it worth it? etc.

Looking forward to purchasing my full pcp kit this weekend!!

Cheers

Andy

[18 Wheeler]

Standard cylinder = 132cc....XL cylinder = 162cc

It's a linear relationship between cylinder volume and shot count so the XL will give approximately 20% more shots (82 > 100 using the manufacturer's figures). The larger cylinder obviously moves the balance forwards a little, no bad thing IMO.

The stock upgrade. Daystate get their stocks from Minelli, they select those with particularly nice grain/figuring and put them aside. It is these that are offered as an upgrade, not cheap IIRC (circa £200?) and functionally no different to the regular stocks. The regular stocks tend to be a grade or two above most manufacturer's so it comes down to how flush you are. If you are buying in a shop find one with several Regals and chose your favourite stock, a good dealer will be happy to do this.

If shot count is important then perhaps look at fitting a regulator? You'd get slightly more benefit from the larger cylinder as the regs result in a small amount of lost volume in the cylinder. XTX Air offers this service, and may be worth considering instead of a stock upgrade? HTH

[mostlyharmless]

The question I would ask is why do you need more shots per charge.
If you are taking part in a competition, 40 shots is the maximum you would ever need. If you are going vermin hunting, 80 shots is a complete days worth of air.
When down the club, by the time you have fired off 80 shots you are in need of a break so stopping for 2 minutes is not going to make you look bad in front of others.
Larger air cylinders are aimed at FAC rated shooters. Don't waste your money, the larger cylinder might be available as an upgrade but you are not going to see much benefit, other than you are carting round some extra weight. Spend the money on better glass for your scope, a lot of people scrimp on the scope after spending £900 on an air rifle.
My pennies worth, but at the end of day you are going to buy what you want, not what we think you need.

[ljgolf@vdubb.or]

welcome .the regal is one of the best guns out there ,get the shop to put it over the crono to see what power it is if under 11ft get them to turn it up a bit .

[cyclopse]

welcome .the regal is one of the best guns out there ,get the shop to put it over the crono to see what power it is if under 11ft get them to turn it up a bit .

Good point. My Regal was shooting at 10.4 to 10.8 from new, some other club members who bought them at the same period not even that and Daystate didn't want to know. I used it for 9 months, probably 20 tins of pellets and it didn't improve so as we had a gunsmith in the club I got him to turn it up to over 11.
The stock is a very good looking stock as standard but I got mine from BAR in Blackpool who had several in stock and gave me a choice.
Good gun but there are a lots of good guns out their so if shot count could be a problem have good think and look around, there are plenty out their with a bigger shot count than a Regal.
John

[ToroTVR]

Thanks chaps for all of your advice,

Your right, I don't need the extra shot count, its just me not having a clue about these "new" fangled pcp things! On the Daystate note, I have e-mailed them regarding the low power issue out of the box. I have also been considering other guns such as the Weihrauch HW100 and Air Arms S510, however, a cursory glance on this BBS reveals all sorts of horrors with those as well, in fact if I read into the pcp horror stories too much I may end up with a good old reliable, full power springer!!!!........NICE!

Watch this space.

Cheers

Andy

[Lord Long]

in fact if I read into the pcp horror stories too much I may end up with a good old reliable, full power springer!!!!........NICE!

Watch this space.

Cheers

Andy

....yes, that's exactly what I did....anti tamper...low power....dodgy bolts....etc etc....TX 200...fix it yerself.

[ToroTVR]

Surprise surprise, Daystate never replied to my e-mail. I will not be buying a Daystate! They do not deserve my business!

[Rob Edge]

All manufacturers are now supplying guns at 11ftlb or below. If you put a variety of pellets through you will see a rise and fall in power depending on the pellet. The Regal is a fine choice.

[gingernut]

This 'underpower' complaint is common with new guns.
Owners put them through chronos and because they are doing 10.80 they feel they have been sold a defective gun.
I am told that some manufacturers refuse to up them on complaint and I can see their point of view.
They don't want their gun to be involved in a prosecution after they have increased the power.

My Air Arms MPR is the most accurate airgun I have shot and has always been just under 11 ft lbs.
I shoot at 70 yards plus sometimes.

So my question is does the extra bit of power matter?

Certainly an overpower airgun is much more of a problem.

[Rob Edge]

This 'underpower' complaint is common with new guns.
Owners put them through chronos and because they are doing 10.80 they feel they have been sold a defective gun.
I am told that some manufacturers refuse to up them on complaint and I can see their point of view.
They don't want their gun to be involved in a prosecution after they have increased the power.

My Air Arms MPR is the most accurate airgun I have shot and has always been just under 11 ft lbs.
I shoot at 70 yards plus sometimes.

So my question is does the extra bit of power matter?

Certainly an overpower airgun is much more of a problem.

The people are complaining about 3 or 4 fps. The difference in real terms is negligible and more emphasis could be put on the shooters grouping being poor due to technique or outside factors.

[Seamaster]

The people are complaining about 3 or 4 fps. The difference in real terms is negligible and more emphasis could be put on the shooters grouping being poor due to technique or outside factors.

I don't think many people would complain about 3 or 4 fps mate but all three of my Regals were in the low tens ftlb. This equated to being around 50fps down which isn't great.
If you're using a gun for hunting I think you need 11ftlb. Not for the killing ability, that's down to accuracy, but for trajectory and wind drift, which can be considerably more pronounced in underpowered guns.

Chris

[TonyL]

however, a cursory glance on this BBS reveals all sorts of horrors with those as well, in fact if I read into the pcp horror stories too much I may end up with a good old reliable, full power springer!!!!........NICE!

Watch this space.

Cheers

Andy

Admittedly I MAY be a teensy weensy bit biased ....BUT DO THIS!! ^ ^ ^

TX200 or 97. A tiny bit of a home tune. Or, with the budget involved, a full-on Lazaglide....lovely!

[Seamaster]

Admittedly I MAY be a teensy weensy bit biased ....BUT DO THIS!! ^ ^ ^

TX200 or 97. A tiny bit of a home tune. Or, with the budget involved, a full-on Lazaglide....lovely!

Trouble is, no matter how many people tell you to do this, when you're squeezing your best groups out of your springer, you'll start to wonder how much better your groups would be from a quality PCP.
There's nothing wrong with a springer mate, just like there was nothing wrong with a Ford Escort.
Things move on and dinosaurs don't, that's why they're extinct now.
I think a springer makes a good second gun, and you can tune the bejeezus out of it if you like but what are you doing? You're making it as close to a PCP as you possibly can.
Most people aren't really interested in the correlation between swept volume and length of stroke although if you are, I apologise. If, however, you want to bag some vermin then do yourself a favour and get a PCP.

Chris

[TonyL]

Trouble is, no matter how many people tell you to do this, when you're squeezing your best groups out of your springer, you'll start to wonder how much better your groups would be from a quality PCP.
There's nothing wrong with a springer mate, just like there was nothing wrong with a Ford Escort.
Things move on and dinosaurs don't, that's why they're extinct now.
I think a springer makes a good second gun, and you can tune the bejeezus out of it if you like but what are you doing? You're making it as close to a PCP as you possibly can.
Most people aren't really interested in the correlation between swept volume and length of stroke although if you are, I apologise. If, however, you want to bag some vermin then do yourself a favour and get a PCP.

Chris

I know exactly where you're coming from and, although I don't OWN a PCP, I have shot them and do appreciate that they are more forgiving.

And yes, fully appreciate bore/stroke/SCR/TP/spring/seals etc....

The main reason I prefer springers is the fact that, if they needed to be fixed, I can work on them easily myself....not that my many HWs have needed fixing. The fact that they're self-contained is another huge factor for me.

I have seen many reports of leaks on PCPs and references to them being non-owner fixable and having to go to manufacturer for servicing / repair. This may suit some, not me, but we're all different.

And, yes, I'm a bit of a dinosaur AND I like Ford Escorts!!