Wather Rotex vs Hatsan AT44

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Hi guys need your views..

Whats the better gun to go for got the chance of a Walther Rotex in .22 or Hatsan AT44 also in .22 both guns are second hand and same price! Looming for a good platform for my diy night vision set up and keep the BSA R10 as my day rifle

So whats the better gun as a good work horse chaps for mainly ratting

Cheers folks..

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Any views guys??

[DJP]

Ok, based on very limited personal experience.

The Hatsan appears to be based on an old Webley design (Raider 10?) and I know a chap that's had the Webley for years with no issues.

I own a Umarex Air Magnum, which the R8 appears to be based on. I'm not happy with the accuracy of mine (which may be down to the CO2 power plant) and I've seen YouTube vids of the R8 showing similar (ie not very good) groups.

So, based on what I've seen, I'd buy the Hatsan.

[ZAKDINGEL]

Ok, based on very limited personal experience.

The Hatsan appears to be based on an old Webley design (Raider 10?) and I know a chap that's had the Webley for years with no issues.

I own a Umarex Air Magnum, which the R8 appears to be based on. I'm not happy with the accuracy of mine (which may be down to the CO2 power plant) and I've seen YouTube vids of the R8 showing similar (ie not very good) groups.

So, based on what I've seen, I'd buy the Hatsan.

I'm in the same boat which one to buy?? and have the same two in mind!!! I have also seen the vid on you tube could the accuracy been down to not using a pellet the gun likes?

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Right thanks for your input buddy.. intresting to hear as I have heared and seen on the air gun gear show that the accuracy is very good even out to 50 yards!

Would be good to get some more views.. I hear the Walther Rotex is made with pot metal not sure about the AT44?? I know the Rotex uses a plastic trigger that im not keen on to be honest.

as said I want it for night vision shooting so do need something thats up to the job..

[rhyslightnin]

Right thanks for your input buddy.. intresting to hear as I have heared and seen on the air gun gear show that the accuracy is very good even out to 50 yards!

Would be good to get some more views.. I hear the Walther Rotex is made with pot metal not sure about the AT44?? I know the Rotex uses a plastic trigger that im not keen on to be honest.

as said I want it for night vision shooting so do need something thats up to the job..

I cant comment on the rotex but i can the hatsan.., i myself are looking for a budget pcp and i tested the hatsan next to a hw100, and to be honest if it was just functionality there wasnt much in it. They both popped the spot no problems. YES of coarse the 100 is bult much better, has higher shot count, bigger mag etc but it also is more than double the money! I was very impressed with both but the hatsan pipped it on value for money., it was increadable value for what you get, side leaver, anti double feed, quick fill, nice trigger, very quiet apart from a little 'ping' that im told can be reduced., & plenty of upgrade options. In .22 i had no problem (on a setup i didnt know) in hitting 25,30,35,45,55,65 yrd targets (teaspoon spinners) in my first 7-8 shots.
As soon as i can afford one thats what il be buying. The shot count is a little low but there are regs avaliable which you can spend saved money on.
The rotex does look good i have to say but the hatsan is 50quid less & comes with bipod, scope, mounts, 3mags (i think) and the build quality doesnt actualy seem too bad to me..., the owner (capitalbee) i think (if i remember correctly) said he had been hunting with it for 3 years without any issues other than giving the mags a polish & servicing the loading mech to get it running smooth.
Hope that helps
Rhys

[CapitalBee]

I cant comment on the rotex but i can the hatsan.., i myself are looking for a budget pcp and i tested the hatsan next to a hw100, and to be honest if it was just functionality there wasnt much in it. They both popped the spot no problems. YES of coarse the 100 is bult much better, has higher shot count, bigger mag etc but it also is more than double the money! I was very impressed with both but the hatsan pipped it on value for money., it was increadable value for what you get, side leaver, anti double feed, quick fill, nice trigger, very quiet apart from a little 'ping' that im told can be reduced., & plenty of upgrade options. In .22 i had no problem (on a setup i didnt know) in hitting 25,30,35,45,55,65 yrd targets (teaspoon spinners) in my first 7-8 shots.
As soon as i can afford one thats what il be buying. The shot count is a little low but there are regs avaliable which you can spend saved money on.
The rotex does look good i have to say but the hatsan is 50quid less & comes with bipod, scope, mounts, 3mags (i think) and the build quality doesnt actualy seem too bad to me..., the owner (capitalbee) i think (if i remember correctly) said he had been hunting with it for 3 years without any issues other than giving the mags a polish & servicing the loading mech to get it running smooth.
Hope that helps
Rhys

Yes Rhys, had mine for 3 years, trouble free. All I did, as Rhys said was polish the fronts of the mag's and put in a nylon tube (taken from a 'Ted Holdover' youtube) to de-'ping'. 60 full power shots in .22 and me if Rhys doesn't go and shoot it as well as (if not better) than me

All I'd say for ratting is you'd probably want it on a bipod. I did some rat work free-handed and found its' length made it slower to swing onto the target. Also, I'd still left the scope set at a 25yds zero, which made it a problem sub 15yds.

[DJP]

...could the accuracy been down to not using a pellet the gun likes?

Possibly, but I tested my Air Magnum with most of the popular brands (bought a pellet sampler with about 15 types in it) including AA Field, H&N FTT, Accupell, Superdome etc and the best groups looked like the ones in the YouTube vids.

OK it's not bad as such, but I expect any PCP to return one-hole groups at 25m (all mine have). Heck, I've got springers that can do that.

Half inch groups from a PCP just aren't that impressive IMO.

[Benelli B76]

I was shooting an R8 this morning. Very accurate, I only tried Falcon pellets and they were doing one inch groups at 30 metres. Was also shooting well out to 70 metres. Seems strange peolple say they are not accurate when they are using Walther barrels that other airgun manufacturers also use. Using the term "monkey metal" is not very accurate. Nearly all PCP rifles I work on use an alloy for the receiver, not steel, just try a magnet on them. Only the barrels are steel. Some use aluminium alloy for the air cylinder which takes a lot of pressure.

Baz

[TORNADOS7]

I would suggest the "Walther Rotex" I've owned an "AT44" and although not a bad rifle for the money I would expect the "R8" to be far superior, but then again I may be wrong !.

[Hollowpoint]

I was shooting an R8 this morning. Very accurate, I only tried Falcon pellets and they were doing one inch groups at 30 metres. Was also shooting well out to 70 metres. Seems strange peolple say they are not accurate when they are using Walther barrels that other airgun manufacturers also use. Using the term "monkey metal" is not very accurate. Nearly all PCP rifles I work on use an alloy for the receiver, not steel, just try a magnet on them. Only the barrels are steel. Some use aluminium alloy for the air cylinder which takes a lot of pressure.

Baz

"monkey metal" and aluminium alloy are two totally different things. "monkey metal" or "pot metal" is mostly zinc. It is brittle and weak, It can't be blued or anodized and is usually painted, a dead give away. You certainly wouldn't want a cylinder made from the stuff. Unless of course you think you have too many body parts and could do with a few less.

[Benelli B76]

"monkey metal" and aluminium alloy are two totally different things. "monkey metal" or "pot metal" is mostly zinc. It is brittle and weak, It can't be blued or anodized and is usually painted, a dead give away. You certainly wouldn't want a cylinder made from the stuff. Unless of course you think you have too many body parts and could do with a few less.

I know quite a bit about Zamak, so you are saying the R8 is made from one of the Zamak range ? There would be no problem with that as most of the popular CO2 pistols like Umarex range are made from it.

Baz

[Hollowpoint]

I know quite a bit about Zamak, so you are saying the R8 is made from one of the Zamak range ? There would be no problem with that as most of the popular CO2 pistols like Umarex range are made from it.

Baz

I dont know. I would imagine so since the ro8 is made by umarex.

[Hoggyreels]

Reading through this thread, there appears to be more doubts towards the Walther RM8 than the Hatsan. Personally l wouldn't like to lay out hard earned cash and on delivery of my pride and joy, be accompanied with such feelings of doubt ... lf l thought that way l'd deffinately go for the Hatsan AT44-10 ... best be happy at the end of the day. The Hatsan appears a nice package. The Walther does has a synthetic trigger. Regards the "pot metal" description, again, if that carries doubt, there is another reason to choose the Hatsan .. lve a Walther RM8 .. and lm suggesting it might best to buy a pcp that won't give you concerns ... enjoy your purchase either way chaps

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Right guys I have made up my mind..

I was talking with a gunsmith today about the Rotex and he said it is unbeatable for the price, super smooth and accurate which seems to be the common attitude to this gun.. he also said he had worked on many AT44's and found them to be of poor quality and the Rotex would be a better choice!

So im going to hang out for the .177 to start coming to the party and snap one of these lovely little beastie's up..

Lets be honest there is no point compairing these to hw100's and I like and splitting hairs on metals used! for the buck I really dont think these can be beaten and im happy as a chimp up a banana tree waiting for one to come my way

I will post back on here of my veiews when ive had a play and stuck a tin or so of lead through her

But for now ive just got to wait for the .177 train to come in