Vintage 10m rifle league?

[mrfixit]

I would playJust acquired a very nice Steyr match in Co2 flavour.6 or 10m doesn't bother me,just for fun mind,non profit making

[zooma]

I would playJust acquired a very nice Steyr match in Co2 flavour.6 or 10m doesn't bother me,just for fun mind,non profit making

I don't think you can make a profit from running a competition with a modest entry fee - some people even object to paying a small fee to cover the postage and target costs - the time and admin workload has to be done for free.

It would be great to have you organise this proposed 10 metre vintage air rifle competition so you can experience the joys (and work load) of running one for the benefit or others - and you may be surprised to see just how hard it is to make all of the ends meet to a tight budget and how much time and effort it takes to make it run smoothly.

If you run it at a similar cost to the 10 meter MPL series ( no entry fee) or the 6 yard MPL series ( £10.00 for the 6 month series including all of the stamped competition targets ) I would be pleased to enter it and support you.

[zooma]

I would playJust acquired a very nice Steyr match in Co2 flavour.6 or 10m doesn't bother me,just for fun mind,non profit making

The term "Vintage Air Rifles" (or the more commonly used term ""Classic Air Rifles") usually refers to spring powered rifles, and in the case of the MPL competitions it also includes SSP rifles too

- but not any pre-charged rifles as they take less effort to cock and load.

To accommodate the CO2 air pistols we currently have the separate Classic Carbon League and there would be nothing wrong with you organising a competition for CO2 air rifles along similar lines - but I think all pre-charged air rifles ( and pistols) should not be mixed with those that require some physical effort to shoot - unless a suitable handicap system can be included to suitably penalise them.

However, there are very few CO2 match rifles in current use and it may be hard to find enough support to make a competition series for them - but they are more than capable of holding their own against any PCP match rifle and they can be freely used in open competitions

......and obviously this is the reason why they are NOT included in the existing Classic air pistol or rifle competitions.

[I. J.]

Im sure we could cater for Steve (MrFixit) special needs (including postage).

There must be more people who would like to dust off their classic match rifles, be it Giss, sledge, oil dampened, etc. and use them for a bit of fun - no prizes, no fees. There may even be some more odd balls like Steve own CO2 match rifles they could join in a Classic Carbon Rifle League (CCRL).

Just shoot 4 cards over 10m in the month (no set times) and post your results on here for comparison. If theres enough interest Im sure it will eventually develop into a postal league.

What have you got to loose?

[mrfixit]

In my opinion 4 cards/20 shots it doesn't matter what system you use.I just like the idea of these old guns getting some use.

[I. J.]

In my opinion 4 cards/20 shots it doesn't matter what system you use.I just like the idea of these old guns getting some use.

So, does that mean you will take part? Just shoot 4 cards, 5 shots, 10m sometime in December and post your scores on here. Lets see what the response is (if any) and take it from there. If there is enough interest we could start a regular competition and agree a set of rules. Perhaps increase the number of cards per round.

ATB
Ian

[mrfixit]

Ok I will get 4 cards signed on the back prior to shooting them.

[landymick]

What are the basic rules, e.g. hight of target,target type & i presume standing.

[zooma]

In my opinion 4 cards/20 shots it doesn't matter what system you use.I just like the idea of these old guns getting some use.

If scores are not important then you are right - but all gas powered rifles ( CO2 or PCP) are easier to shoot and so if scores are to be considered as having any meaning at all - then the gas powered rifles should carry some sort of penalty so as not to put off those with spring powered or SSP rifles that are harder to achieve the same scores with.

How about minus 5 points per card for starters and see how it goes over the first 6 month period ?

Winning is desperately important for some with a very competitive nature and any advantage will be taken to succeed, but for most this sounds like it could be a lot of fun so why not keep it that way and penalise those that "take the easy ride" with the gas powered rifles?

If any serious shooters decide to take part (those that already shoot in national leagues etc ) they also have the opportunity to show how good they are with the genuine Classic type of rifles ( spring powered and SSP) or how well they can score with a gas powered rifle even after taking the 5 point penalty.

Some may even like to take on the biggest challenge of all - themselves - by alternating from time to time with a Classic or a gas powered rifle to see how well they compare.

To the best shooters it may not make that much difference ( I agree), but to the fun and hobby shooter it could make a big difference.

[J Grainger]

Talking of advantages and handicaps..
I know the story of the Walther LGR and the change of target size..
I would be very interested to know how the typical 5 shot grouping changed when people switched to SSPs and what the highest scores were for the best shooters still shooting spring guns after the targets changed.

Would spring powered 10m rifles shooting the older targets score as well as SSPs shooting the newer targets?

Jonathan

[I. J.]

If scores are not important then you are right - but all gas powered rifles ( CO2 or PCP) are easier to shoot and so if scores are to be considered as having any meaning at all - then the gas powered rifles should carry some sort of penalty so as not to put off those with spring powered or SSP rifles that are harder to achieve the same scores with.

How about minus 5 points per card for starters and see how it goes over the first 6 month period ?

Winning is desperately important for some with a very competitive nature and any advantage will be taken to succeed, but for most this sounds like it could be a lot of fun so why not keep it that way and penalise those that "take the easy ride" with the gas powered rifles?

If any serious shooters decide to take part (those that already shoot in national leagues etc ) they also have the opportunity to show how good they are with the genuine Classic type of rifles ( spring powered and SSP) or how well they can score with a gas powered rifle even after taking the 5 point penalty.

Some may even like to take on the biggest challenge of all - themselves - by alternating from time to time with a Classic or a gas powered rifle to see how well they compare.

To the best shooters it may not make that much difference ( I agree), but to the fun and hobby shooter it could make a big difference.

Lets just see what response we get before we start adding (further) rules and penalty points. Lets just get the rifles out dusted off and the spiders removed from the rifling. IF there is any response lets re asses it in say 6 months time.

O.K. - Whoes the first?

[lead lobber]

New to this, so dopey question...What size targets? I may be able to get access to an old match rifle and if so would like to have a go as this sounds like informal fun. I assume we post the results on this thread?