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  1. #91
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    Re storage of shooters powder
    In the latest regs http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l150.pdf
    It would appear that shooters powder can/ should only be stored in 1kg maximum containers (page 100)
    Which seems peculiar considering that you can buy Vit powders in 3.5kg containers
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    JAMES

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB101 View Post
    Re storage of shooters powder
    In the latest regs http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l150.pdf
    It would appear that shooters powder can/ should only be stored in 1kg maximum containers (page 100)
    Which seems peculiar considering that you can buy Vit powders in 3.5kg containers
    ATB
    JAMES
    Well, we're dealing with 2 different issues here.
    On the one hand Viht sell bulk powder to the trade and public. That's their perfect right. They sell all over the world. Not every country shares our philosophy on H+S matters.
    I know of one dealer who decants from bulk into 'portions'. That's his right too. He will most likely have bulk handling facilities. That goes on with all sorts of chemicals etc etc.
    On the other, well ,you've got HSE, DoT,Explosives regulations etc etc. all designed to control the safe handling, transport and use of powders and primers etc.
    The 2 are opposed to each other, but generally work out o.k.
    I wouldn't feel very comfortable topping up my trickier from a great big drum, would you?
    After all, you can buy 50 gallons of petrol if you want, but you can only store a , relatively, tiny amount in your garage at home.

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    Proving of Ammunition

    Without stirring the pot too much..!

    The whole legal status of ammunition (along with the rest of the firearms regulations) is a bit of a mess in UK. The classification and licencing for possession in the Firearms Act is reasonably clear, with ammunition falling in to three rough categories:

    1. Most centrefire small arms ammunition is classed as Section 1 requiring an FAC or an RFD to possess.
    2. Some ammunition, including filled explosive ammunition and drug darts are Section 5 - prohibited, needing home office permission to hold.
    3. Some ammunition such as blank and shotgun ammunition with more than 5 projectiles, do not need certification to possess.

    There is no legal requirement or scheme for proving ammunition. CIP is an EU standardisation agency that publishes accepted standards for certain calibres and has a trade marking scheme. There is no legal requirement in UK for ammunition to be loaded to this or any other standard. Liability for loaded ammunition lies with the loader. If the ammunition has been sold, then this is covered by the sale of goods act. The proof houses are able to provide chamber pressure data for certain calibres if they have the relevant pressure testing barrel, but there is no accepted legal concept of "proof" for ammunition, unlike barrels.

    The issue of "sale" is also far from clear as far as the firearms acts are concerned.. If you wish to interpret the act in such a way as the sale of ammunition by an FAC holder is illegal, then it follows that sale of a firearm must also be illegal. This is plainly nonsense. At the present time, the Police interpret the phrase "by trade or business" as meaning just that - the activity has to be substantial and is a condition for issuing an RFD. There has never been an issue with the sale of small quantities of ammunition between FAC holders providing conditions are met... but I agree it is not clear and could be much better expressed.

    Most of the legislation is a mess.. however there IS a general consensus about interpretation between most Police and most shooters. Sometimes a Policeman or a shooter decides on a particularly obtuse interpretation of the law, and there are problems.. but the aim should be to interpret sensibly, and not see problems where there are none..

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