Expanding ammunition.

[Eligus]

Isn't it about time we started lobbying our shooting organisations to try and get the rules changed re. ordering expanding bullets by post for reloading? I can't see any sense in this restriction and it causes great problems in trying to acquire some of the less popular sizes such as .22 Hornet.

It's not a lot of use finding an RFD who has some in stock if they are over 100 miles away!

My local RFD has had some on order for me for over 6 weeks.

[loiner1965]

totally agree

[angrybear]

It's not quite that simple is it, the reason they cannot be posted is that they are restricted by your FAC, so the sender/seller has to fill out the holding section of the buyers certificate.

[Eligus]

I realise that, I was wanting them taken off the FAC requirement, I don't see much point in the restriction.

[angrybear]

The point is that you require the expanding ammo to shoot prey, so a target only shooter, (without expanding) in theory can't/won't decide to go hunting where their lack of experience in the field might cause a safety issue through lack of a safe backstop.

or so I was told.

[bradaz11]

but if they don't have permission to use the rifle on anything other than an MOD approved range, they would still be breaking the law and would just use a lead round??

[kennyc]

The point is that you require the expanding ammo to shoot prey, so a target only shooter, (without expanding) in theory can't/won't decide to go hunting where their lack of experience in the field might cause a safety issue through lack of a safe backstop.

or so I was told.

expanding was put into the original legislation as a result of Dunblane, only afterwards did someone point out that hunting required expanding ammo for humane reasons, usual balls up with legislation not being fully thought through... or so I am led to believe.

[sarge4318]

It's not quite that simple is it, the reason they cannot be posted is that they are restricted by your FAC, so the sender/seller has to fill out the holding section of the buyers certificate.

They don't have to be entered on the FAC if they are only bullets being transferred, it is the ammunition that needs to be filled out on the FAC table.

[AlBur]

Previous post correct.
RFD must confirm you are permitted to purchase/possess expanding bullets but not rquired to enter the purchase on your ticket. All ammunition purchased must be entered on your ticket.
Al.

[manxteddy]

Expanding bullet heads have to be added to ticket.

[physeptone]

Expanding bullet heads have to be added to ticket.

Bullet 'heads'


The entering of these projectiles on FACs seems to vary from RFD to RFD to county to county........ we've been here many times

[manxteddy]

Bullet 'heads'


The entering of these projectiles on FACs seems to vary from RFD to RFD to county to county........ we've been here many times

Bullet Heads = Cheshire

[sarge4318]

Expanding bullet heads have to be added to ticket.

They don't have to be, just some people like to think they do.

Won't matter if you keep adding them until you get to the point of needing some real ammo and no space left on the ticket.

If you want it done, then by all means do it, it just doesn't need to be done.

[angrybear]

According to every RFD I've spoken to both local & by phone and Devon & Cornwall licencing dept, expanding bullets for reloading DO need to be recorded, they have just doubled my ammunition holding allowance based purely on that fact.

[amc577]

The majority of FMJ bullets available for Hornet...generally 37-45gn....are classed as "expanding" in the UK, although no differentation is made in the USA, where the boxes say "hunting, varmint or target".
Ref a previous post, I understand this bullet restriction was another daft decision from the Dunblane incident...and we wiil not see the Dunblane enquiry papers in our lifetime! I believe that the term "dum dum bullets" was used in the decision to restrict "expanding bullets". When you are shooting at paper targets, the target does not know or care what type of bullet is being used..:

I can fully understand the humane requirement to use "expanding" bullets for shooting game but not the restriction for target shooters. Presumably a game shooter has no restriction in using his expanding bullets to shoot at targets when zeroing his rifle?

amc577