Mild load for 14bore

**DesG** · 05-01-2015, 06:55 PM

Has anyone out there had any experience of using a 14 bore muzzle loader shotgun. I've acquired a rather nice 1790ish (judging from the Birmingham proof marks) section 58 percusion s/b which is too nice not to shoot. Can anyone who has used one tell me what powder and shot load would be nice and comfortable with it without overstressing the Damascus barrel. I'm thinking about 7/8 oz would be good but how much of Henry Kranks med would give a mild load for bunnies?

**tacfoley** · 05-01-2015, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by DesG

Has anyone out there had any experience of using a 14 bore muzzle loader shotgun. I've acquired a rather nice 1790ish (judging from the Birmingham proof marks) section 58 percusion s/b which is too nice not to shoot. Can anyone who has used one tell me what powder and shot load would be nice and comfortable with it without overstressing the Damascus barrel. I'm thinking about 7/8 oz would be good but how much of Henry Kranks med would give a mild load for bunnies?

So let me get this right, so's I don't make a mistook. You intend to shoot a 225-year-old muzzle loader with a 'Damascus' barrel? Or, at least, a twist barrel made of iron, as per the methods of the day.

There isn't anybody here, I hope, who is crazy enough to offer you a load for it - as per the rules of the forum, I believe. Go check and see if I'm right.

At the very least, before you even contemplate firing it with a live load, you should get the barrel checked out for the infamous damascus inter-laminate rust/rot. It is, of course, a converted flintlock if your dating is correct.

tac

**enfield2band** · 06-01-2015, 11:26 AM

I would not risk firing a gun that old now matter how good it looks. Apart from the historical value it would need to be x-rayed to check for corrsion in the laminations.

If they are defective the barrel will unwind like a corkscrew.

My advice would be to put it on the wall and enjoy it.

**airgunnut** · 06-01-2015, 12:03 PM

if i remember correctly there was 2 methods of proofing during the 16-1700s the expensive powder method and the water method (used for export guns) the water method consisted of the touch hole been bunged up, the barrel pointed up and filled with water and left overnight, if the gun did not leak it was stamped as proofed and exported, that's why some guns were stamped as proofed by powder
i cannot find/remember the tv program it was on

**enfield2band** · 06-01-2015, 03:47 PM

I have not heard of that method of proofing guns. I'm not saying it was not used though, but I would not fancy firing one.

The usual method was to double charge the gun and put in two balls, or two lots of shot and ignite it with a loose powder fuse on the flash hole.....from a safe distance.

I have a list in a book somewhere on the proof charges. I think some had a triple charge first and then the double charge.

**DesG** · 07-01-2015, 09:40 AM

Hi chaps. Just spotted my typo. I meant 1890 ish not 1790ish but what's a hundred years between friends. Thanks for your concerns but this gun belonged to a friend of mine and we've been shooting it on and off with .6in musket balls since the late seventies so I think it's fairly safe. I've now acquired it and as I have a permision on 170 acre farm and the owner is a black powder nut I thought it would be fun use it as a shotgun, thus my question about 14g shot loads.

To further allay your concerns I also own a le Page .36, Charles Moore .45, Hawken .45, 8 bore flintlock blunderbus, Roger and Spencer .45 revolver and a fair collection of section 58, most of which I wouldn't dream of shooting. I have held a blackpowder licence since 1976.

Since no-one out there seems to have used 14 bore I shall get on and find a load elsewhere.
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Incidentally, 'mistook' is the past tense of 'mistake' so it would be impossible to make a 'mistook' in the future. "just saying like"

**slowcoach** · 07-01-2015, 05:54 PM

Hiya Des looks a strong clean piece

This taken from the link below, a very good read and has served me well in many a black powder shotgun venture

For a 14 ga. 3 1/4 drs. either Fg or FFg and 1 1/8 oz. shot is about right, and of course, they will do all right with 3 drs. and 1 oz. and for light work 2 1/2 drs and 1 oz. will also give good results.

http://home.insightbb.com/~bspen/starr.html

Cheers John

**DesG** · 07-01-2015, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by slowcoach

Hiya Des looks a strong clean piece

This taken from the link below, a very good read and has served me well in many a black powder shotgun venture

For a 14 ga. 3 1/4 drs. either Fg or FFg and 1 1/8 oz. shot is about right, and of course, they will do all right with 3 drs. and 1 oz. and for light work 2 1/2 drs and 1 oz. will also give good results.

http://home.insightbb.com/~bspen/starr.html

Cheers John

1 oz would appear to be the same length as diameter and probably plenty for close range. I'll give that a go with 2 drs to start. Thanks.

**tacfoley** · 12-01-2015, 12:38 PM

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In response to Nit Wit

Yep, equal amounts of powder & shot work for me. My 13 gauge likes 70gr Goex ffg or Swiss 1.5 schutzen.

For a patched round ball a 14 gauge would take a ball between .672-.678 with an appropriate patch.
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**robinghewitt** · 12-01-2015, 01:02 PM

I shoot ounce and a quarter over 60gns of black in anything from 16g -> 12g.

That's a fairly stiff load, painful if you accidentally pull both triggers at the same time. Watch out for lightweight, single barrel, live pigeon guns. Ouch.

Your problem is that a gun does not have to be in proof if all you want to do is fire it.

Will you be associating with other muzzle loaders when you shoot it? If you see them diving for cover when you reach the ocky, reconsider.

I like to take the first shot with a new gun at arms length, just in case

**tacfoley** · 12-01-2015, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by robinghewitt

I shoot ounce and a quarter over 60gns of black in anything from 16g -> 12g.

That's a fairly stiff load, painful if you accidentally pull both triggers at the same time. Watch out for lightweight, single barrel, live pigeon guns. Ouch.

Your problem is that a gun does not have to be in proof if all you want to do is fire it.

Will you be associating with other muzzle loaders when you shoot it? If you see them diving for cover when you reach the ocky, reconsider.

I like to take the first shot with a new gun at arms length, just in case

'ocky'?

tac

**airgunnut** · 12-01-2015, 01:23 PM

think he means oche, the line at which you stand when playing darts

**tacfoley** · 12-01-2015, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by airgunnut

think he means oche, the line at which you stand when playing darts

o.

tac

**robinghewitt** · 12-01-2015, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by airgunnut

think he means oche

That would be your fancy Northern spelling would it?

**airgunnut** · 12-01-2015, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by robinghewitt

That would be your fancy Northern spelling would it?

No it just proves us northerners are not illiterate

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