Scores Spring series 2015 MPL and gasser series

[thirdwheel]

Zooma's on the move and using his new Pardini K12 Junior and shooting well, the barrel and cylinders are only a little shorter than the full size K12 but it seems to make the feel so different - I've got one too a K12 with both set ups, brilliant pistol but not shot any of the 6yd targets this year as both of us have focused on the 10m so far this year but will get the ball rolling during the Easter hols.



Enjoy your shooting
George

[zooma]

The Pardini K12 is the longest match target pistol made and only just fits into the control size box, but is the choice of a growing number of international 10 metre match competitors and also featured well at the last (London) Olympics.

This extra long sightline would no doubt be a bonus to a good match shooter with a steady hand and strong control but for a less competent exponent of the art it can be demoralising and magnifies any sight movement.( ask me how I know :roll eyes.

Fortunately it is possible to buy a short barrel that is very simple to exchange (two screws) and this can be used with the existing standard size cylinders or with matched shorter cylinders, and like the excellent Bennelli Kite the cylinder choice can be made to give a change of balance that could be helpful to some shooters.

With the short barrel fitted it has a very similar sight-line and overall length to a Steyr LP10 so it is far from being a genuine "short" pistol - more like a "normal" or "regular" length match pistol.

When fitted (or bought) with the so called :"short" barrel and cylinders the pistol is known as the K12 Junior . I must say this does seem like a very inappropriate name, but they also make a "proper" junior sized pistol known as the "Kid" so they do have a good range of pistol lengths and weights from short to long - even if the "short" is actually "not so short".

[thirdwheel]

You learn something every day! I had no idea the K12 was the longest AP but it does mimic the looks of their super competitive free pistol. I must agree the slightly shorter sight line has damped down the perceived shake which is difficult to shut out and just see through. Changing barrels is very quick and very simple as you say. I've got the shorter cylinders too and you can feel the difference with the junior, and I agree the title of junior does not do Pardini any marketing favours, perhaps something has been lost in translation. I've not experienced having difficulty in it fitting in the control box unlike the horrors my wife has had with the Styer LP2 compact you sold us!!! she has failed at the ESSU, Midland, and Sussex in fact everywhere it has been presented, it is such a small compact pistol but fails on its width with a left hand grip. I've sorted it for good now with the use of my milling machine. Both of us failed at the British for some of the filler I had applied on the grip under the sight area but the kind chaps lent me a file to correct the problem.
I hope it grows on you and that you can get it to suit you and your confidence in it builds as it is a nice lighter pistol.

[zooma]

Hearing that any Steyr LP2 Compact fails to fit into the ISU control box is a massive shock as it is such a small pistol.

I would be fairly confident that the metal frame of the pistol is not at fault so I can only guess that it is the left handed grip that has presented this problem - what type of grip did you fit?

If it was a Steyr grip or a RINK grip I would have expected either of these specialist German grip manufacturers to ensure they fully complied with the ISU rules.

Did it fail the width test because of the grip, or because of the combinatin of the grip and some additional filler?

It would be an even greater shock if the LP2 as sold by Steyr failed to fit into the control box as the same grip fitted to it is also used on the LP10.

These larger sized LP10 pistols ( and the similar LP10E) from the same manufacturer have won just about every international honour in the air pistol shooting world so it would be good to know why ( and in what area) your wife's smaller sized Steyr Compact failed the box test as it may help others who turn up at a competition from failing weapons control in the future.

To be forewarned is to be forearmed.

[thirdwheel]

It is the combination of LH grip in our case a rink and the knob on the cocking lever, it is made worse if you have adjusted the pistol in the grip using the allen screws to bring the front sight to the right. I cured it by milling half of the plastic cocking knob away and it fitted in the box fine at the British.

Best cheers
George

[zooma]

I have noticed that some of the MPL pistol shooters are recording scores higher than those recorded by the Gasser pistol shooters.

This is not particularly unusual at 6 yards, but it does make you wonder why we all stump up so much cash for PCP match pistols when some of the better spring powered and SSP pistols can produce results that can be just as good - and sometimes better !

I am also aware that CO2 powered air pistols always seem a little "kinder" or are rather more "tolerant" when compared with PCP match pistols that can punish a poorly executed shot rather more severely.

We have club members that can produce excellent results at 10 meters with their spring powered Feinwerkbau Model 65 and 80 pistols and others that can also score as well with their SSP pistols so this is not a phenomenon that only affects 6 yard shooters.

We also have members and guests that shoot their Feinwerkbau Model 2, C10 and C20 and Walther CP2, CP3 and CPM-1 CO2 pistols just as well ( and sometimes better) than their PCP match pistols.

It is certainly less tiring to shoot PCP or CO2 air pistols than MPL class spring or SSP air pistols but they do not automatically produce higher scores.

Any thoughts.......?

[thirdwheel]

I'm on the catch up now as I've time and my focus on 10m is beginning to work as far as technique is concerned. Shot Jan mpl pistol this morning and pleased with the result. The fwb 65 trigger is only one stage (you know what I mean) so it punishes me big time when I consciously say now pull it rather than hold in area of aim and squeeze till it pops, I will be able to do it every time one day soon The K12 is set with about 50g on the second stage so should be perfect every time but we will see later if it is better, somehow I doubt it though.

Hum I quite like the 65 in a kind of tractor agricultural kind of way, a bit like I like my AJS heavyweight singles over my oh so smooth BMW outfit at times.

George

[Frog]

I have noticed that some of the MPL pistol shooters are recording scores higher than those recorded by the Gasser pistol shooters.

This is not particularly unusual at 6 yards, but it does make you wonder why we all stump up so much cash for PCP match pistols when some of the better spring powered and SSP pistols can produce results that can be just as good - and sometimes better !

I am also aware that CO2 powered air pistols always seem a little "kinder" or are rather more "tolerant" when compared with PCP match pistols that can punish a poorly executed shot rather more severely.

We have club members that can produce excellent results at 10 meters with their spring powered Feinwerkbau Model 65 and 80 pistols and others that can also score as well with their SSP pistols so this is not a phenomenon that only affects 6 yard shooters.

We also have members and guests that shoot their Feinwerkbau Model 2, C10 and C20 and Walther CP2, CP3 and CPM-1 CO2 pistols just as well ( and sometimes better) than their PCP match pistols.

It is certainly less tiring to shoot PCP or CO2 air pistols than MPL class spring or SSP air pistols but they do not automatically produce higher scores.

Any thoughts.......?

Hi Bob,
my thoughts are that given a perfect execution any decent target pistol will score an inner 10 at 6m or 10m. So no reason why an PCP should, inherently, score higher than a SSP or springer.
The 'BUT' is, in my experience, anything less than very good execution with a springer WILL punish you but this is less so with a SSP or PCP.
The other thing is effort - My scores over a 60 shot match with an SSP or springer certainly deteriorate in the second half (witness my March and April scores in the MPL - shot as 60 consecutive shots and the second 30 shots was 9 points down on the first 30). When I used to shoot 60 shot matches I always took the full 90 minutes to do so and would sit down and rest every 15 - 20 shots or so - even when using a CO2 or PCP pistol - there is still the effort of holding the thing up even if you avoid the cocking effort!

It would be interesting to try comparing a single shooter's scores in a 60 shot match using a PCP with a 60 shot match using a springer or SSP AND a volunteer loader to get rid of the cocking effort...

Now I do not compete seriously any more I tend to shoot muscle power pistols more simply because I enjoy their less clinical, more mechanical feel (and the FWB 80 is perfect in this respect - lovely engineered lumps of metal moving about )...

Frog

[thirdwheel]

All updated

[zooma]

Good shooting George - Top Man

[thirdwheel]

Catching up with my gasser pistol as things have calmed down a bit. This must be the only comp where two Pardini K12 Juniors are being used. I'm shooting a lot of 10m now and was a frustrated as hell when the pellets did not go where I wanted them to, 6yd is no easy task, you cannot be sloppy which I think was my down fall to start with. You have to work at it just as hard as 10m and be proactive with that front sight.

Interestingly or down right annoying is that I've got a better score in the MPL using a 30+ year old FWB 65!!! Just goes to show something - what I do not know as I do not want to think about it toooo hard. The FWB has sporting grips that no way fit may hand jeez this is annoying!!

George

[zooma]

Catching up with my gasser pistol as things have calmed down a bit. This must be the only comp where two Pardini K12 Juniors are being used. I'm shooting a lot of 10m now and was a frustrated as hell when the pellets did not go where I wanted them to, 6yd is no easy task, you cannot be sloppy which I think was my down fall to start with. You have to work at it just as hard as 10m and be proactive with that front sight.

Interestingly or down right annoying is that I've got a better score in the MPL using a 30+ year old FWB 65!!! Just goes to show something - what I do not know as I do not want to think about it toooo hard. The FWB has sporting grips that no way fit may hand jeez this is annoying!!

George

The Pardini K12 Junior is a bigger sized pistol than the name may suggest - its sightline is about the same as a Steyr LP10 - and the full size K12 is the longest match pistol made. More people are switching to the K12 pistols and having two in our postal league reflects their growing popularity.

The only people that think 6 yard shooting is easy are those that have not done it - those that think differently are welcome to enter our next competition and show us all how it is done. Many of us find the 6 yard shooting even more demanding than 10 meter shooting.

50 ex 50 is almost impossible on our 6 yard Air 8 pistol targets and (as previously requested) we would like to see a photo of any claimed 50 score in our competition - not just to prove it was done - but to inspire the rest of us that still find it impossible to achieve.

My comments about getting better score's with non-PCP match pistols has been well documented over the years and your experience with the Model 65 is just another example - make's you wonder why we bother with the expensive PCP match pistols sometimes.

Given all the technical developments with air pistols and electronic training devices, physical training programs , mental and diet information that the top shooter have ready access to these days ( not to mention the professional coaching and expensive Scatt trainers) it is sobering to look back at the early world records that were set with spring powered air pistols in the 1970's - barely any progress has been made compared to all these refinements and investments in cash, time, physical and technical training.

No surprise to me that your old springer out-shot your PCP match pistol - it happens a lot more often than most of us that own these expensive match pistols care to admit, . . . . . .and this is very encouraging to those that cannot afford a PCP match pistol

[thirdwheel]

Been working hard at my shooting at 10m by dry firing before work every morning and live firing at the club most evenings and it is slowly coming together but I'm so inconsistent. Have just put the long barrel and cylinders back on the k12 to see what the differences is only two days now so the jury is out but I can feel the difference in weight for sure. Just shot my best ever score for a 6yd with it so cannot be too bad but the 10m was not so good tonight but then I've shot over 150 live shots today mostly at 6yds. Will try and do a round tomorrow with the fwb 65 to see if I am wasting my time with the PCP!!!

George

[thirdwheel]

New competitor Damo1 now shooting in the gasser rifle section.

George

[thirdwheel]

updated and one correction as I jumbled up numbers in my head, don't you just love dyslexia!!