Ssp's

[yorkiets]

If there was a low effort (comparable to a springer) single stroke pneumatic, full power rifle on the market, what would be the objections to buying one?

Why would you choose a springer if a viable ssp was available?

[tinbum]

I think you answered your own question there. SSP's at or near the limit are cumbersome beasts that require a knack to cock. Theyre great, but not really a break barrel replacement.

[secretagentmole]

An SSP still takes longer to reload and cock than my Super 10, Rapid, Mk 3, Walther, Galatian...

[yorkiets]

An SSP still takes longer to reload and cock than my Super 10, Rapid, Mk 3, Walther, Galatian...

Can't really compare ssp's with PCP's, for efficiency, îm more interested in the comparison with springers

[timmytree]

An SSP still takes longer to reload and cock than my Super 10, Rapid, Mk 3, Walther, Galatian...

Since the op was comparing ssp to springers I think your post is irrelevant, I don't see any springers in that list?

[yorkiets]

I think you answered your own question there. SSP's at or near the limit are cumbersome beasts that require a knack to cock. Theyre great, but not really a break barrel replacement.

Historically this is true, but if someone developed one, equivalent to a springer and put in on the market,would you buy one? If not why not?

[tinbum]

Historically this is true, but if someone developed one, equivalent to a springer and put in on the market,would you buy one? If not why not?

I've had PH Dragons and I rate them in every way. But if someone could make an ssp as easy to cock as a springer it would be a) a miracle b) a bestseller and c) powered by fairydust!

[yorkiets]

I've had PH Dragons and I rate them in every way. But if someone could make an ssp as easy to cock as a springer it would be a) a miracle b) a bestseller and c) powered by fairydust!

Interesting.

So you'd have one if it could be made but you don't think it's feasible. Unless you believe in faries

[Shed tuner]

I'll bring my PH Dragon to the bash (if Mick allows it - at least it's still self contained !)

Well worth trying if anyone hasn't seen one, very manageable cocking.

[gedfinn 2]

Interesting.

So you'd have one if it could be made but you don't think it's feasible. Unless you believe in fairies

Its mechanically impossible !!!! ( Fairy dust was quoted )
A springer is approximately 30% efficient , ( This is due entirely to the compression (Exothermically ) Generating heat &
expressing itself as a higher pressure ) Albeit for a very short time ,
Hence the short barrel will syndrome !

The " Pump ups " on the other hand are approximately 5 % Efficient ( These are not my numbers )
When the compressed air is released, it cools rapidly ( Endothermic ) This expresses itself in a purported less volume, Hence less efficient .

I have had almost all the SSP,s & Still have some,
Does this Dragon look easy to cock ? For an Orangatang maybe !




Or this Tuned version of mine of the Gamo Supertarget , At 9 Fpe in .177 its hard work .



It has like all SSP,s a huge piston to enable it to create the swept volume for a single usable stroke to enable it to give it a decent output.
Not all of us are physically able to pump these, & If so for how many repetitions , This and the weight of them in my opinion was the demise of the SSP,

You cannot compare Pre-charged with these guns . ! They are the same, Recoilless , Super accurate , But SSP,s just have to weigh more ?

Had the same performance requirements been given to other designs , I am sure they could have been made more user friendly IE, Lighter weight, Less effort Etc.
First off a pump up, Pumped up in a reservoir needing a 1 pump top up per shot, Secondly a 2 pumped regulated output
( Ala the sharp innova )

And finally ( My favourite ) A Co2 gun, I can hear you muttering from here, Ha ha,
I meant a Reservoir precharged by a 12 Gram cylinder, This pressure was added to by a single pump , In a separate chamber, Again regulated by a simple Sharp type pressure regulater,
A given pressure regardless of temperature could be maintained .

Ged.

[rabbitwrecker]

I've had PH Dragons and I rate them in every way. But if someone could make an ssp as easy to cock as a springer it would be a) a miracle b) a bestseller and c) powered by fairydust!

I'd buy one - but I wouldn't PX my springer to get it.....

[peddy]

If there was a low effort (comparable to a springer) single stroke pneumatic, full power rifle on the market, what would be the objections to buying one?

Why would you choose a springer if a viable ssp was available?

If I had to make a choice I'd take a well tuned springer, due to ease of maintenance. If I had the money I would have bought your titan aswell!