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    100s+ Pics for all LOVERS of 'BSA and Lincoln Jeffries Vintage air rifles.

    Found this picture reference 'Library' quite by chance as am gently looking for a BSA underlever of the earlier type, so doing quite a lot of research.

    Treat yourself and have a browse. Picture examples (with serial numbers) submitted by owners covering Lincoln, Standard, Model D (and B), Ladies, Junior...
    ...rare Military Pattern....
    ....and best of all: with details on variations, accessories, etc

    Just fabulous stuff!

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/670443/

    and....
    ....if you only have time to look at just ONE...
    ....then may i suggest the following as the ultimate customisation...
    http://www.network54.com/Forum/67044...SA+Light+Model

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    Quote Originally Posted by chieffool View Post
    Found this picture reference 'Library' quite by chance as am gently looking for a BSA underlever of the earlier type, so doing quite a lot of research.

    Treat yourself and have a browse. Picture examples (with serial numbers) submitted by owners covering Lincoln, Standard, Model D (and B), Ladies, Junior...
    ...rare Military Pattern....
    ....and best of all: with details on variations, accessories, etc

    Just fabulous stuff!

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/670443/

    and....
    ....if you only have time to look at just ONE...
    ....then may i suggest the following as the ultimate customisation...
    http://www.network54.com/Forum/67044...SA+Light+Model
    Pure airgun porn but be careful what you say about the contributors - they all grace this forum! And, to a man, are generous with advice and information.

    I've seen the decorated Light pattern and it reminded me of nothing as much as my grandmother's sewing machine.

    ATVB, Mick
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    Thumbs up

    I think that's Garvins' forum


    Lovely pics

    Here's his Gem forum, I believe there's a Diana forum too



    John
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    oh my Lord....
    ....i LOVE this Forum!
    The engraved BSAs just make me drool.

    I posted a thread some weeks ago about a real one-off german builder making bespoke guns... check out:
    http://www.hegmans.de/theo/neu_e.htm

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    Welcome! When you finally find your early BSA/LJ underlever, feel free to post some pics of it in the vintage BSA forum's visitors' gallery.
    Vintage Airguns Gallery
    ..Above link posted with permission from Gareth W-B
    In British slang an anorak is a person who has a very strong interest in niche subjects.

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    Old beeza

    You know when you think "it's not really what i would normally buy" but look back over the 12 months plus of ownership and think...YES! i'm glad i did!
    Some time ago a customer came into my shop and as you do, in general conversation, he mentioned an old BSA air rifle that he had completely refurbed and was looking to sell. Not what i would normally consider but appeasingly we agreed that i would have a look. A couple of weeks later he bought it in, opened the old pvc bag and took the rifle out. IT LOOKED NEW! Every screw had no signs of anyone even showing them a screwdriver, it had been totally re-blued, with a (sorry to say this purists) GOLD PLATED TRIGGER, other than that, everything looked original and in place. I must admit i was a bit shocked! The stock had been replaced with a 'hand made' walnut straight stock, lovely grain, "i didn't think the old stock did it justice, so i had a new one made" he said, but then got the old stock out of a seperate bag. To be honest for a 100+ year old didn't look too bad. So after asking several questions with several BSA guru's (some of which said "don't touch it, it's not original patina, it's been spoilt etc") I BOUGHT IT!
    Now i know some may agree with the purists, and everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but, with g/p trigger, spare stock, and shoots ok as well, how could i not!
    I'm chuffed to say the least. If i can fathom out how to put some piccys on here i will. Good luck with your search sir, i'm sure the right one is just around the corner! Atb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Scratch View Post
    You know when you think "it's not really what i would normally buy" but look back over the 12 months plus of ownership and think...YES! i'm glad i did!
    Some time ago a customer came into my shop and as you do, in general conversation, he mentioned an old BSA air rifle that he had completely refurbed and was looking to sell. Not what i would normally consider but appeasingly we agreed that i would have a look. A couple of weeks later he bought it in, opened the old pvc bag and took the rifle out. IT LOOKED NEW! Every screw had no signs of anyone even showing them a screwdriver, it had been totally re-blued, with a (sorry to say this purists) GOLD PLATED TRIGGER, other than that, everything looked original and in place. I must admit i was a bit shocked! The stock had been replaced with a 'hand made' walnut straight stock, lovely grain, "i didn't think the old stock did it justice, so i had a new one made" he said, but then got the old stock out of a seperate bag. To be honest for a 100+ year old didn't look too bad. So after asking several questions with several BSA guru's (some of which said "don't touch it, it's not original patina, it's been spoilt etc") I BOUGHT IT!
    Now i know some may agree with the purists, and everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but, with g/p trigger, spare stock, and shoots ok as well, how could i not!
    I'm chuffed to say the least. If i can fathom out how to put some piccys on here i will. Good luck with your search sir, i'm sure the right one is just around the corner! Atb
    oh yes.... pics please.
    I believe (it appears) i am in final negotiations on a 'very original' and in good nick 1912 model D.

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    QUESTION TO: Mr Scratch (and others....)

    would you buy a 'very original' Improved Model D (1912) in excellent condition with nothing to do to it (£270 - good compression)

    OR

    By a clinker in 'molested state' which needs everything done to it (but still shoots - ie mechanically sound) (£120) so you could do anything you wanted to it (reblue, gold trigger, engrave, rear flip up period peep sight, walnut stock, etc

    ?

    PS: can't have both

    PPS: what did the 'pimped' underlever Mr Scratch cost (are we allowed to know)?

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    QUESTION: ref 'power' to current owners

    What is a reasonable chrono output for .177 and .22 for these ?
    I know its a very general question - but i'd love to get some feedback on your own guns [year/model/calibre/ft lbs] to compare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garvin View Post
    Welcome! When you finally find your early BSA/LJ underlever, feel free to post some pics of it in the vintage BSA forum's visitors' gallery.
    Hmmm They are already there, well two of them are the Lincoln has a new custodian

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Hmmm They are already there, well two of them are the Lincoln has a new custodian
    i think he meant 'ME' - the invitation becoming valid when/if hopefully i tracked down the item i'm looking for.

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    [QUOTE=chieffool;6597133]would you buy a 'very original' Improved Model D (1912) in excellent condition with nothing to do to it (£270 - good compression)

    OR

    By a clinker in 'molested state' which needs everything done to it (but still shoots - ie mechanically sound) (£120) so you could do anything you wanted to it (reblue, gold trigger, engrave, rear flip up period peep sight, walnut stock, etc

    ?

    Always go for original condition. Think of it like this. A good rifle with original parts in fine condition will retain and hopefully increase in value, whereas you are unlikely to ever get back the price of a refinish, unless you have the facility to do it yourself. Factor in the price of replacement parts and the price of a restoration increases way past its value. It will only ever be a refinished gun rather than an original item.

    John

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    Clinker or Original

    To answer this question honestly i must say neither. I wasn't looking for one of these (model a 5th batch) dating about 1906 but it totally took me over, how can i explain? It's just so different. How many 100+ year olds look new, have g/p trigger, spare beautiful stock, someone had obviously spent a lot of time and money! Walnut stock alone i'd expect to pay £200ish min. Just so quirky. I had the chance to have any one of a late friends l/j bsa but turned it down! Just not my thing, but this is different. All other rifles are excellent power wise (10-11.5 flbs) some really nice ones and all do the job i ask of them, but this old one doesn't have to. Must be an age related respect thing!
    Anyway powerwise, just under 8ftlbs. I CAN LIVE WITH THAT! especially as it has original internals as far as i can see. Still can't do this photo thing, can anyone help as i would like to get other members opinions. Regards Tony

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    Quote Originally Posted by chieffool View Post
    i think he meant 'ME' - the invitation becoming valid when/if hopefully i tracked down the item i'm looking for.
    Your missing it,of course it's you have another look at the gallery it will come to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Your missing it,of course it's you have another look at the gallery it will come to you.
    That's the problem.... i can't STOP looking at the damn gallery.
    I wish i'd never found it. My eyes are red, my back is sore, i can't sleep - uggghhhhhh

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