Scottish airgun licensing debate reminder

[fudstoneboy]

Firstly Barrel thanks for the comment bud, understood and appreciated,Donald not trying to sway you away from the snp, you vote as you wish too, certainly was not implying your a raving nationalist, but in my other life which involves daily meetings with folks from all of the camps currently involvec in electioneering the loudest, foulest mouthed promoters of all sorts of craziness are the snp camp, maybe its an Ayrshire thing but some o these folk are seriously needing a minor lobotomy or 4 to calm them down.

[GoodWILLHunting]

No my views are not that I would like to see millions of people killed with a weapon of mass destruction or that airguns are baby steps toward ‘gun sense’. My view is that for years the ‘Scittish’ have been out of touch with the rest of the UK. When is a referendum not a referendum ?.... When it is held in Scotland !. The skittish had the choice to opt out of the rest of the UK but even though a majority voted not to the rest won’t except the result. For years many changes in UK law have been experimental in Scotland first, ‘All day opening in pubs’, ‘No cheap alcohol in supermarkets’, ‘Smoking ban in public places’ etc. So you see my fears are founded, any change in law North of the border may well be spread to the South.

As for my head not being screwed on right, anyone who thinks there will be no need for British people to know how to use weapons in the future is a buffoon. Half of Africa is marching its way Europe bound, Fanatics in the Middle East want to crush Christianity & everybody who doesn’t see their views & the Russian bear flies his war planes ever closer to test our defences.

Where Sir do you ‘not’ see a need for future generations to be able to take up arms ?.


What is the difference between a Salmon & a Sturgeon ?... Nothing they both want to get Miliband into Downing Street in order to waste more money on 'another' Scittish referendum….

You seem to be confusing the referendum with the general election. The referendum is over, what happening now is the general election, and if people vote for the SNP it's not for an imminent rerun of the referendum, it's to elect MPs' and if those in Scotland vote SNP in sufficient numbers and in turn they have some influence whats wrong with that? thats what passes for democracy in the UK. The status quo has been great, yeah the mainstream UK parties haven't been exactly "optimal", have they?

As for experimentation on the Scots, then to follow for the rUK. Ballaches, we've been devolved this past 15 years and the last Scotland first social experiment was now more than 30 years ago now, so from my point of view your post is just a tad alarmist. Just saying.

[GoodWILLHunting]

I'm just off for a pre debate garden plink

[robby]

I'm just off for a pre debate garden plink

Me too while the sun is out and roasting!.

[DedIdick]

I'm just off for a pre debate garden plink

Aye, and I'm nae voting for Kennedy!

[GoodWILLHunting]

So, the person and not the gun. Libs and Labour not objecting, thus far it's just the Tory, Cameron Buchanan: the Tories are to abstain.

[GoodWILLHunting]

Aye, and I'm nae voting for Kennedy!

Not many are

[dannyboy8133]

This is what we got devolution for - how does this pass for a debate? No reasoned argument and no publishing of "evidence" so far.

[GoodWILLHunting]

This is what we got devolution for - how does this pass for a debate? No reasoned argument and no publishing of "evidence" so far.

Your too far behind the curve Danny, that side of it was done and dusted some time ago. As I've said many times before, and is shown clearly in the submissions thus far, there's no show stopper coming from the opposition. Interestingly it's the new justice minister himself, the abstaining tories and Tavish Scott of the libdems, thus far who've talked sense.

[piggy589]

Am I missing something, or did I just hear a member of the Scottish Parliament refer to the current licensing of rifles producing over 12ft/lbs and pistols producing over 6ft/lbs?.
I thought such pistols became section 5 and were therefore prohibited?,if found in possession, do not pass go,go straight to jail.

[RobF]

Am I missing something, or did I just hear a member of the Scottish Parliament refer to the current licensing of rifles producing over 12ft/lbs and pistols producing over 6ft/lbs?.
I thought such pistols became section 5 and were therefore prohibited?,if found in possession, do not pass go,go straight to jail.

Technically that's still on license. It's just a very hard to get hold of license.

[dannyboy8133]

Your too far behind the curve Danny, that side of it was done and dusted some time ago. As I've said many times before, and is shown clearly in the submissions thus far, there's no show stopper coming from the opposition. Interestingly it's the new justice minister himself, the abstaining tories and Tavish Scott of the libdems, thus far who've talked sense.

Perhaps but as this is a debate - it should be a reasoned argument for and against citing evidence gained during consultation period. Thats not what I saw with questions about lack of data for current year slapped down as an inconvenience and apparent lack of police support for the idea not brought up at all - cut and thrust was; We the SNP want to do this - we think its a good idea and no-one else really seems to care so we'll just to it and lump it in with under age drinking and lap-dancing (another two of my former pastimes).

[GoodWILLHunting]

Perhaps but as this is a debate - it should be a reasoned argument for and against citing evidence gained during consultation period. Thats not what I saw with questions about lack of data for current year slapped down as an inconvenience and apparent lack of police support for the idea not brought up at all - cut and thrust was; We the SNP want to do this - we think its a good idea and no-one else really seems to care so we'll just to it and lump it in with under age drinking and lap-dancing (another two of my former pastimes).

Danny I've been following this closely for a long time, the bit where they shoot the shit arguing this point and that was at the committee stage. Thats not what this was about, this was the formal report of that committee to parliament.

The reason for lumping it in with scrap merchants, taxi/private hire, titty bar and other forms of licensing, was because they've identified licensing as being required in all those areas.

It was obvious to me from the responses from the Labour benches, that if labour had won the 2007 election we'd have been looking at a ban. The opposition? all supported the bill at the committee phase, all will vote with the government, except the Tories who've announced they'll abstain, a move away from their former committee position of support, indeed there was a smarmy comment to that effect from the floor, if you were listening you'd have heard it. Perhaps they didn't want to be seen as supporting it in the cold light of the debate, but an abstention is as good as wink to a blind man.

Disappointing, perhaps and a little weird, being lumped in with the titty bars, n' all. Lets hope the 2nd stage sees some of Cameron Buchanan and Tavish Scott's points being taken onboard.

[RobF]

Seems there is some more opposition now that you can vote for.

http://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releas...party-support/

[GoodWILLHunting]

Seems there is some more opposition now that you can vote for.

http://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releas...party-support/

Yeah, saw that earlier on the website. However, what Cameron Buchanan actually said was that the Tories would abstain, not the same as opposing, although bascs may well have been talking to them after the fact.

He spoke well though and made a few good points, he and Tavish Scott. The new justice minister, Michael Matheson, didn't seem too convinced either.

So, 2016 we'll see, but on the 7th however, I'll be voting tactically for the SNP

Edit to add
Actually I just bumped into Charlie Kennedy at the shop, wee bugger was off to Kyle to talk at the navy base, I didn't give him the chance to speak to me, least I had to tell him I won't be voting for him or his ilk