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    So if the incontrovertible fact is that airgun crime is the lowest it's been (& continues to fall), and the generally accepted view on here that licensing will have no effect on airgun crime then do we all accept that the SNP has got airgun licensing totally and utterly wrong?
    Because if they can't get something as relatively minor as airgun crime right, why the hell would you trust them with the responsibility for your livelihood, health service or the defence of your country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerTim View Post
    So if the incontrovertible fact is that airgun crime is the lowest it's been (& continues to fall), and the generally accepted view on here that licensing will have no effect on airgun crime then do we all accept that the SNP has got airgun licensing totally and utterly wrong?
    Because if they can't get something as relatively minor as airgun crime right, why the hell would you trust them with the responsibility for your livelihood, health service or the defence of your country?
    Indeed.

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    http://www.publications.parliament.u...ff/95/9508.htm

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    Watching this debate is a good warning of what we could expect in England if anti-airgun fanatics with a majority in Parliament decided there were votes in licensing.

    The voices of common sense, calling for evidence that a cumbersome licensing regime would actually prevent the misuse of airguns rather than just inconvenience the law abiding, were questioned by the fanatics: "But children and animals are being MAIMED. Don't you think the people owning these LETHAL WEAPONS should be licensed to own these LETHAL WEAPONS?".

    It's not just bad government, it's positively dangerous, and for generations to come Scottish airgunners will have to go to the expense of getting a license, assuming the police will grant one. When a neighbour thinks they hear a gun being fired in a garage or garden, an armed response unit will be despatched to investigate.

    Any BBS member (yes you, Goodwillhunting) who wants to openly advocate voting for the SNP, for tactical or other reasons, should ask themselves what they are doing hanging around on an airgun forum if they really care about this sport/hobby. The party you are handing your vote to is about to do terrible harm to all of us.

    See for yourself what the SNP is really like, if you don't believe me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garvin View Post
    Watching this debate is a good warning of what we could expect in England if anti-airgun fanatics with a majority in Parliament decided there were votes in licensing.

    The voices of common sense, calling for evidence that a cumbersome licensing regime would actually prevent the misuse of airguns rather than just inconvenience the law abiding, were questioned by the fanatics: "But children and animals are being MAIMED. Don't you think the people owning these LETHAL WEAPONS should be licensed to own these LETHAL WEAPONS?".

    It's not just bad government, it's positively dangerous, and for generations to come Scottish airgunners will have to go to the expense of getting a license, assuming the police will grant one. When a neighbour thinks they hear a gun being fired in a garage or garden, an armed response unit will be despatched to investigate.

    Any BBS member (yes you, Goodwillhunting) who wants to openly advocate voting for the SNP, for tactical or other reasons, should ask themselves what they are doing hanging around on an airgun forum if they really care about this sport/hobby. The party you are handing your vote to is about to do terrible harm to all of us.

    See for yourself what the SNP is really like, if you don't believe me.

    http://www.scottishparliament.tv/cat...vid=0_m2h8vh03
    I don't have the answer for you Garvin.

    However you seem to be suggesting that you'd be happy for members to act in a disingenuous manner, by not declaring their interest, openly. I outed myself on here the moment I'd made up my mind to vote Yes in the referendum, and that if it was a No vote I'd be voting SNP in 2015. You seem to be taking issue with me personally for that, suggesting I should consider my position on here etc to me thats got the whiff of intimidation to it, a veiled threat even, that I don't think you'd be making in person.

    If it were me pushing this licensing malarky, personally, then you'd have grounds, but it's not, it's not even you who's going to be adversely affected, it's us up here, trying to conflate devolved legislation in Scotland with what might happen in the rest of the UK is just silly, almost as silly as me not voting as I see fit.

    Fair enough, it must be said however, that I don't like the tone of your comments, I do understand your frustration with this bill, but to vent that frustration at me personally is a waste of your energy. Pi$$ed off at you as I am, I'll stay my keyboard finger and give you the benefit of the doubt.
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    I think what he is saying is actually fair play for being open about being a supporter for those who would do us law abiding shooters harm.
    Thanks for supporting and encouraging the enemy
    And yes I'm angry at the ridiculous position we are brought to by a widespread stupidity rather than specific individuals
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodWILLHunting View Post
    I don't have the answer for you Garvin.

    However you seem to be suggesting that you'd be happy for members to act in a disingenuous manner, by not declaring their interest, openly. I outed myself on here the moment I'd made up my mind to vote Yes in the referendum, and that if it was a No vote I'd be voting SNP in 2015. You seem to be taking issue with me personally for that, suggesting I should consider my position on here etc to me thats got the whiff of intimidation to it, a veiled threat even, that I don't think you'd be making in person.

    If it were me pushing this licensing malarky, personally, then you'd have grounds, but it's not, it's not even you who's going to be adversely affected, it's us up here, trying to conflate devolved legislation in Scotland with what might happen in the rest of the UK is just silly, almost as silly as me not voting as I see fit.

    Fair enough, it must be said however, that I don't like the tone of your comments, I do understand your frustration with this bill, but to vent that frustration at me personally is a waste of your energy. Pi$$ed off at you as I am, I'll stay my keyboard finger and give you the benefit of the doubt.
    You've declared your interest. Fair enough. You support the ban. That's fair enough. It's your opinion.

    What isn't is pretending you are opposed to the ban, yet not opposing it, or abstaining from it, but actively taking a step to support a party promoting it.

    Ok so it sits down a list of your priorities. That's fair enough. Just don't say you don't support it when you are planning to do exactly that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobF View Post
    You've declared your interest. Fair enough. You support the ban. That's fair enough. It's your opinion.

    What isn't is pretending you are opposed to the ban, yet not opposing it, or abstaining from it, but actively taking a step to support a party promoting it.

    Ok so it sits down a list of your priorities. That's fair enough. Just don't say you don't support it when you are planning to do exactly that.
    I don't conflate voting Nat in the westminster election as supporting the bill in holyrood, which isn't a ban or at least it wasn't last time I looked. This bill isn't lower down on my priority list, my two priorities are shooting and fishing, that'll shift to fishing and shooting, when the midge arrives over the next few weeks.

    Anything that adversely affects my sporting pursuits is of issue to me, of course it is, however there are other fish to fry at the moment, and fry they will. I can't alter what is happening all i can do is remain optimistic and make do the best I can.

    So, if others see my voting intention as "support for the enemy" then so be it, thats their prerogative. I can't expect people who don't share my view to understand. For my part, I see my position as a lot less hypocritical than say, Cameron Buchanan standing there preaching folly, but not folly enough for his party to vote against it, whilst he represents a party that actually introduced bans, for semi auto CF semi auto/PA shotgun mag capacity pistols et al.

    Your a shooter, yet you vote Tory. I don't ask you to justify that or accuse you of hypocrisy, or that you personally supported those parliamentary bans.
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    [QUOTE=GoodWILLHunting;6674478]I don't have the answer for you Garvin.

    You seem to be taking issue with me personally for that, suggesting I should consider my position on here etc to me thats got the whiff of intimidation to it, a veiled threat even, that I don't think you'd be making in person.

    Voting for a party that seriously wants to curtail the ownership,use and enjoyment of air weapons is certainly siding with the enemy,so what are you doing on a forum like this,it's a simple enough question.As for it being intimidation or a veiled threat,stop talking like a prat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick 2 View Post
    I don't have the answer for you Garvin.

    You seem to be taking issue with me personally for that, suggesting I should consider my position on here etc to me thats got the whiff of intimidation to it, a veiled threat even, that I don't think you'd be making in person.

    Voting for a party that seriously wants to curtail the ownership,use and enjoyment of air weapons is certainly siding with the enemy,so what are you doing on a forum like this,it's a simple enough question.As for it being intimidation or a veiled threat,stop talking like a prat.
    Well thats how it seems to me Patrick, how are you voting? are you old enough?
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    How the heck is Scotland going to host any national or international athletics events if the police can't cope with license applicatons? It could be a fiasco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodWILLHunting View Post
    Well thats how it seems to me Patrick, how are you voting? are you old enough?
    Yes I'm 68 yrs old,so I'm probably old enough to be your father and I shall probably vote Conservative but am slightly tempted towards UKIP but I definitely won't be voting Labour.That Miliband twat jumps on every opportunity to try and score political points over is opponents,he's now trying to blame Cameron and the tories for the plight and deaths of the boat people in the Mediterranean,like the previous Labour government, of which he was a prominent member,were to blame for all the thousands of Iraqis as well as the hundreds of our own troops that were killed during the last Iraq invasion and which is partly responsible for the rise of ISIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick 2 View Post
    Yes I'm 68 yrs old,so I'm probably old enough to be your father and I shall probably vote Conservative but am slightly tempted towards UKIP but I definitely won't be voting Labour.That Miliband twat jumps on every opportunity to try and score political points over is opponents,he's now trying to blame Cameron and the tories for the plight and deaths of the boat people in the Mediterranean,like the previous Labour government, of which he was a prominent member,were to blame for all the thousands of Iraqis as well as the hundreds of our own troops that were killed during the last Iraq invasion and which is partly responsible for the rise of ISIS.
    Yes you are Although only just and even then it would've been a bit of a scandal in certain circles.

    I share your labour point re the hypocrisy of Miliband. I won't be voting Tory, labour, nor the Christian Party, UKIP aren't contesting my seat and I'll spare you the why-I'm-unhappy-with-our-incumbent-Libdem dissertation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodWILLHunting View Post
    suggesting I should consider my position on here etc to me thats got the whiff of intimidation to it, a veiled threat even, that I don't think you'd be making in person.
    Intimidating, threatening? Hardly, and I'm sorry you perceive it that way. Just suggesting you examine your conscience.

    You seem to spend a lot of time on here, but publicly pledge your vote to an outfit hell bent on damaging our sport.

    And you expect that to pass unnoticed? (rhetorical, not a cue for you to give another long-winded explanation of your curious logic).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garvin View Post
    Intimidating, threatening? Hardly, and I'm sorry you perceive it that way. Just suggesting you examine your conscience.

    You seem to spend a lot of time on here, but publicly pledge your vote to an outfit hell bent on damaging our sport.

    And you expect that to pass unnoticed? (rhetorical, not a cue for you to give another long-winded explanation of your curious logic).
    No I don't, however it's no secret, yet you've been the first to make an issue of it, in relation to shooting Sorry if I got hot and bothered earlier
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