Webley Pistol Collectors - Test your market knowledge

[Sam99]

Hello,

I think 1050 pounds plus the extra costs.
Sorry , Arabic keyboard , no UK pound sign

Sam

[slug-gun]

Someone will probably pay around a grand all in for this, so I reckon a hammer price therefore of £810. What is the prize for the winner by the way as I don't want to be entering a competition for nothing!

[Garvin]

I think slug-gun has the measure of this sale, because the component parts of the lot could be worth £1,000 if sold individually, assuming they're all genuine. So I'll guess a hammer price of £775.

[Troubledshooter]

I'll estimate a hammer price of £850.
The post war 'Rexine' Webley case seems harder to find than the pre war leather and canvas version, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the hammer price exceed my estimate.

[gingernut]

Some people will pay £4000 for an Austin 1100.
So you chaps could be right.

[Mark D]

Some people will pay £4000 for an Austin 1100.
So you chaps could be right.

Off that fence - Lets have your best estimate

[RichardH]

£675 Hammer tops

[CHJF177]

Someone will probably pay around a grand all in for this, so I reckon a hammer price therefore of £810. What is the prize for the winner by the way as I don't want to be entering a competition for nothing!

The prize was mentioned. .......being smug for a day!

[Binners]

What would I pay? £350 max, now it has been exposed to the world, my guess, hammer down at £760

[Josie & John]

One thing this thought provoking thread has shown is how subjective valuations really are. It just goes to show at best they are estimates and should be considered a rough guide only.

John

[Garvin]

One thing this thought provoking thread has shown is how subjective valuations really are. It just goes to show at best they are estimates and should be considered a rough guide only.

John

True, John, but I'd say this is not so much a valuation as a rough prediction of what someone out there might pay in an auction situation. I know the difference is quite subtle, but when I do (admittedly subjective) valuations, I'm balancing what someone out there might pay with a notional 'true value' ie. of one gun versus another, rather than a pure market prediction.

So, for example, I would put a cap on the value of a Junior because if it went too high, you might as well have a Senior or a Premier for only a little bit more.

But how much someone (albeit pretty desperate) might pay for eg. a Webley oil can or bottle in competition with another desperate soul on the auction site, seems largely unconstrained by relative values. Surely that is why they can spend as much on an empty tin can as on a lovely condition Webley Senior!

I've lost my train of thought now and even I don't understand what I'm saying, but I think I did when I started... Doh!

[laverdabru]

£455, & not a penny more - not that I'd bid, anyway.

[Josie & John]

True, John, but I'd say this is not so much a valuation as a rough prediction of what someone out there might pay in an auction situation. I know the difference is quite subtle, but when I do (admittedly subjective) valuations, I'm balancing what someone out there might pay with a notional 'true value' ie. of one gun versus another, rather than a pure market prediction.

So, for example, I would put a cap on the value of a Junior because if it went too high, you might as well have a Senior or a Premier for only a little bit more.

But how much someone (albeit pretty desperate) might pay for eg. a Webley oil can or bottle in competition with another desperate soul on the auction site, seems largely unconstrained by relative values. Surely that is why they can spend as much on an empty tin can as on a lovely condition Webley Senior!

I've lost my train of thought now and even I don't understand what I'm saying, but I think I did when I started... Doh!

I think I know what you mean Danny and as someone who recently paid the price of a good Lincoln for a box of pellets, I take your point. This is after all a rather special lot and beyond ordinary valuations in the strictest sense. Heck, I don't have that Webley label and may even bid myself!

John

[Abasmajor]

Hi,

Interesting that the pre-war cased Senior (Lot 630) is estimated at £500-£800 whereas rarer post-war cased Senior is a lower £400-£600.

The oil can on the pre-war Senior is also a Parker Hale can rather than a original Webley.

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com...9711&saletype=

The item that I find most difficult to value individually is the case as Iv'e haven't come across any for sale that weren't part of a set.

I guess we can't expect auctioneers to be aware of every, sometimes seemingly minor difference that increases rarity and therefore value.

Still can't see this lot making over £900 inclusive of fees though.

Regards

Brian

[Sam99]

Hi,

Interesting that the pre-war cased Senior (Lot 630) is estimated at £500-£800 whereas rarer post-war cased Senior is a lower £400-£600.

The oil can on the pre-war Senior is also a Parker Hale can rather than a original Webley.

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com...9711&saletype=

The item that I find most difficult to value individually is the case as Iv'e haven't come across any for sale that weren't part of a set.
I guess we can't expect auctioneers to be aware of every, sometimes seemingly minor difference that increases rarity and therefore value.

Still can't see this lot making over £900 inclusive of fees though.

Regards

Brian

I paid 300:00 pounds a few months ago for an empty case.

Sam