Scottish Law and New Cert

[RobF]

None of their concern, you are asking to acquire 1x Section 1 air rifle

Any RFD can sign an air rifle of any power level onto that slot just as I would if you were going to uprate it yourself.

But you need good reason? My FEO said there wasn't a good reason for doing such. I can't simply add a rifle of sub 12 and carry out the same activities. I need to do something new like hunt, which needs cleared land etc.

There was supposed to be a +12 airgun target club near to Bisley but i don't know if it still runs.

[Robo]

But you need good reason? My FEO said there wasn't a good reason for doing such. I can't simply add a rifle of sub 12 and carry out the same activities. I need to do something new like hunt, which needs cleared land etc.

There was supposed to be a +12 airgun target club near to Bisley but i don't know if it still runs.

Yeah, I thought that as well.

R

[longgrasscrawl]

This Law, will end up like the Poll Tax, it will start in Scotland and Cross the border within a year, .

[Garvin]

This Law, will end up like the Poll Tax, it will start in Scotland and Cross the border within a year, .

But remember, Scottish airgun licensing didn't originate in Westminster, unlike the Poll Tax...

[bighit]

But you need good reason? My FEO said there wasn't a good reason for doing such. I can't simply add a rifle of sub 12 and carry out the same activities. I need to do something new like hunt, which needs cleared land etc.

There was supposed to be a +12 airgun target club near to Bisley but i don't know if it still runs.

my original feo said .22fac air and .22lr crossed over each other power wise so I could not have FAC air and .22lr but I could have FAC air and .17hmr or .22lr and .17hmr but not all three.

Robbo. I know about the air rifle going onto FAC or shotgun until renewal.

I just wanted it on there NOW but at 12ftlbs . which they said no as as the end result of the guidelines have not been finalised.

Should not be happening at all but the YESnp want to ban shooting it seems

[pneucomer]

Yes , It had taken to page 3 for someone to noticed the snp wanted to ban shooting here.

[Grahamcs]

IMO people now think air rifles are weapons anyway based on recent conversations with non shooters regardless of what they look like.

The left wing bbc is to blame for that.

A gun is a gun now regardless.

The police will treat any firearm in the same way.

I think we are all living on borrowed time with regards to FACS or licensing.

The government is powerless with regards to armed foreign criminal gangs and terrorists but has to be seen to be doing something useful so a blanket cover on the lawful will appease the ignorant and scared populace.

[tomk]

Yes , It had taken to page 3 for someone to noticed the snp wanted to ban shooting here.

It is not only the left wing socialist snp that want to ban shooting it is also the labour party they supported the snp on this and publicly said it did not go far enough.

[Hemmers]

If you've a large collection or like to trade guns then you are absolutely right but for those that have good reason and land to shoot on the benefits of the extra power and ability to move up to a rimfire or something bigger easily have got to be worth looking at

You might at least gain something for all the hassle and paperwork you are going to have to do anyway.

Worth looking at, yes.

But the terms of the Scottish licensing regime have not yet been finalised, so if you make a decision before the scheme is actually formally announced, then you are making a decision based on rumour, doubt and hearsay. Not a smart move.

AFAIK there is no concrete decision on what is considered good reason, storage requirements, what the relationship will be with England and Wales in terms of buying airguns from (unlicensed) English and Welsh shooters/business, or selling to the same. I see no reason why anyone would jump the gun and make a decision like that whilst they are effectively blindfolded.

If it's a cheaper airgun, maybe fine you don't care. If it's something more pricey which you may struggle to shift on the limited S.1 market, then you may wish to consider the hit on re-saleability/value.

Like I say, people should carry on as they are, and when the SNP actually decide what it is they're actually going to try and implement, then people can make an informed decision as to whether they want to apply for a new-fangled Airgun License, or go the whole hog and apply for a S1 (or have their airguns added to their existing FAC).

[Robo]

Worth looking at, yes.

But the terms of the Scottish licensing regime have not yet been finalised, so if you make a decision before the scheme is actually formally announced, then you are making a decision based on rumour, doubt and hearsay. Not a smart move.

AFAIK there is no concrete decision on what is considered good reason, storage requirements, what the relationship will be with England and Wales in terms of buying airguns from (unlicensed) English and Welsh shooters/business, or selling to the same. I see no reason why anyone would jump the gun and make a decision like that whilst they are effectively blindfolded.

If it's a cheaper airgun, maybe fine you don't care. If it's something more pricey which you may struggle to shift on the limited S.1 market, then you may wish to consider the hit on re-saleability/value.

Like I say, people should carry on as they are, and when the SNP actually decide what it is they're actually going to try and implement, then people can make an informed decision as to whether they want to apply for a new-fangled Airgun License, or go the whole hog and apply for a S1 (or have their airguns added to their existing FAC).

Hi Hemmers,

Sadly, it's not a rumor, there is no doubt...and I wish it were hearsay, but it ain't. The legislation is not final, but BASC Scotland has confirmed the Air "Weapon" cert is going to be harder to get than the existing Shotgun cert. If you read the bill, it's clear that it's going to place significant burden on any Air Riffle / pistol owner. The fact that the Government did not go for allowing sub 12 ft-lbs on an existing FAC says allot about their intent.

I would agree with you if they had considered introducing a simple Air Riffle register, which was updated when anyone sold/traded air riffles. They should have opted for light regulation and I think most of us would have welcomed something like that, and encouraged it. That's not on the cards...thus you have to figure out what is best given the new level of burden. For myself (and 4 friends) that currently have an air riffle, we all agree there is just no point in all the faff with the Air riffle cert. Thus we are all now moving up to an FAC. As I've said before, for allot of us, it's marginal why we don't have an FAC just now. Now the legislation is coming, there's no incentive to stay outside FAC, and no real reason to have a sub 12ft-lbs air riffle if you need two certs!

I doubt it will be too hard to sell FAC air riffles on the S.1 market. I think this legislation will change it from, as you say a limited market to a more liquid one. If you take the view that this legislation will sadly follow down south, then the FAC Air Riffle market should get even more liquid. I guess it would help to have the power changed by an authorized dealer if resale is an issue though - I intend to do it that way.

What annoys the crap out of me is this: the government wastes time and money prioritising new 'pet policy' project type legislation, that is hard to implement and monitor and does little more than what is covered in existing legislation, while on the other hand, dueling of the A9 from Perth to Inverses (a major bottle neck in Scottish Infrastructure and logistics) is considered so low on the agenda, they aim to complete it by 2025. I thought government was supposed to look at the big picture?

Anyway, sorry about that - rant over.

R

[Robo]

my original feo said .22fac air and .22lr crossed over each other power wise so I could not have FAC air and .22lr but I could have FAC air and .17hmr or .22lr and .17hmr but not all three.

Robbo. I know about the air rifle going onto FAC or shotgun until renewal.

I just wanted it on there NOW but at 12ftlbs . which they said no as as the end result of the guidelines have not been finalised.

Should not be happening at all but the YESnp want to ban shooting it seems

Bighit,

Surely you can make a good argument to have the .22 FAC and set it at 12.5-13.5ft-lbs. For example, if you use around live stock, built up farm etc. At 13 it is still OK for that use, and is silent for close to cattle - but the important thing is it does not have a long carry compared to a .22lr. There's a pretty big difference in an LR and an FAC air riffle.

I understand where they are coming from, but their reaching. Shame you cannot get it on now.



R