Reply With QuoteNice looking set Brian. Notice how the breech of the Mk1 drops down into the case more than a Senior. Mk1s fit but not quite as snugly as a Senior.
John
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Hi,
Another interesting auction lot coming-up soon.
http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/au...1-a4df00b07c60
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Brian
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Nice looking set Brian. Notice how the breech of the Mk1 drops down into the case more than a Senior. Mk1s fit but not quite as snugly as a Senior.
John
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Don't the catalogue compilers have any idea as to the value of items they are selling. £80 - £100 GBP estimate is beyond a joke, it's bloody ridiculous. Anybody who is going to bid will probably know the true value, so why treat prospective buyers as idiots.
Put another zero at the end of both figures and they would be a lot nearer it's true value, particularly with what looks to be a pre war box in excellent condition, and the original instructions and sales booklet.
You can't say muntjack without saying mmmmm
It's an old auctioneer's ploy. Put on a low estimate to stimulate bidding. A £250-£300 estimate might make lots of people not bother bidding because they think they've no chance of getting it. The more bidders there are, potentially, the higher the price will climb.Originally Posted by Troubledshooter
Don't the catalogue compilers have any idea as to the value of items they are selling. £80 - £100 GBP estimate is beyond a joke, it's bloody ridiculous. Anybody who is going to bid will probably know the true value, so why treat prospective buyers as idiots.
Put another zero at the end of both figures and they would be a lot nearer it's true value, particularly with what looks to be a pre war box in excellent condition, and the original instructions and sales booklet.
The South of England has 2 good things, the M1 and the A1. Both will take you to Yorkshire.
You can't say muntjack without saying mmmmm
Of course, now that it's been high-lighted on here, there's even less chance of it selling at a bargain price. But I've banged that drum before.
The South of England has 2 good things, the M1 and the A1. Both will take you to Yorkshire.
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I know it's an auctioneers ploy, but why treat their prospective purchasers as idiots, as any prospective collector/purchaser will know an item's true value.
As a prospective purchaser, you would like the item advertised to be known about by as few people as possible, whereas if you are a seller, just the opposite applies, so mentioning the item on the BBS may well benefit the seller, but with the internet as developed as it is, there is little chance of an auction item going unmentioned.
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I would want a good look at the case and label close up before bidding, as there are some beautiful replica's around, assembled from period fittings. My gut feeling is that its a composed set of collectables put into the sale by a dealer or collector knowing that collectors will find it by an internet trawl. It just seems too unlikely that all the items that don't fit into the case have survived the last 70 years along with it.
I'm not saying it isn't kosher, as its impossible to tell without close inspection.
But if it has come from a collector - as seems likely to me, rather than from the general public, why wasn't it entered into a specialist sale, where experts would inspect it closeup at the viewing. Anyone who has gone to the trouble of sourcing the paperwork and pellets etc, would very likely have a good idea of where to sell it best.
I'm in no way denigrating or questioning the authenticity of the set, as there's no evidence either way to base it on. It may well have come from a widow or a country house or been treasured in a family since new.
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I must admit I never look at the estimates at auction as they have very little relevance to reality. I didn't even notice the low one in this case until Troubledshooter highlighted it and suggest others do the same!
John
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I Agree you scan the net looking for a great deal and hope no has spotted it ,just to find that’s it been broadcast on hear so there no point in searching any more wish people cold keep it to them self s it much more fun that way i for one wont bother logging in on Saturday not now every webley collector on hear has been alerted to it with out doing any trawling
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Hi,
I kind of know what you mean, but I started collecting fairly late in life and would have had little chance of finding the items I wanted without the benefit of the internet and forums such as this one before time eventually ran out.
With the advent of the internet, it really doesn't take too much effort to find items like this and it would be naive to believe somebody really looking for one wouldn't also come across it without its appearance and discussion on forums.
I also believe discussion is beneficial for less experienced collectors so that they can be made aware of current prices and what to look out for at auctions etc. For instance that this lot is a Mk1 in what would have been a Senior case.
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Brian
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I had a quick look at this today.
I'm no expert and certainly wouldn't call myself a collector but this does look to be a very nice pistol and the chap I spoke to said it was attracting a lot of attention -- it will be interesting to see what it eventually goes for.
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Hmmmm.. Shame there is no oil can, as we all know to complete it with a genuine oil can is going to cost another 100 for a nice can, will be interesting to,see what It goes for in the real world compared to holts world.
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I know it must be frustrating if you were hoping this pistol would stay under the radar, but by sharing it, Brian has given the rest of us a chance to see it, for which I for one am grateful.
That's the thing about the internet, it's given everyone a chance to be part of the 'vintage airguns conversation', which is both good and not so good depending on your point of view.
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Two ways of looking at that course...
Yes, it can lessen the chance of a bargain because more have seen it, but it could go the other way with lots of potential bidders thinking they won't bother for the same reason.
But, for the collector, the price is sometimes of lesser importance than the knowledge its for sale and the choice on whether to make a bid for acquisition.
The price will be what it is.
It can also have the effect of keeping the value of these items up, which is good is you're already in possession of the same or similar.
I for one have thought Webley Seniors have been under-valued for years, they have a quality than can only be truly appreciated once in the hand.
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Hi,
This lot is actually in today's David Duggleby Auction although I would agree that many auction valuations and descriptions don't always reflect the real world.
In my experience, an original pre-war Webley 'Valve Spout' oil can would be worth nearer £300 if one could be found, which I would reckon a nice original canvas case would also fetch by itself. The post-war cans often fetch around the £200 mark and they are much more common.
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Brian
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