.36 Pedersoli le Page on chrono

[DesG]

I hated the damn stuff in school dinners and have finally found a use for it. It acts as a buffer between the powder and ball and also scrubs the bore a tad each shot. I find it improves my group a bit and my scores are a bit higher when I use it. Opinions on its use vary!

[gtpkeeper]

very interesting des,thank you for doing it,
swiss no1 is 3-4fg ?

[1066]

Excellent information Des.

Here's an interesting video of the LePage .36. This guy is getting good results with very low charges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJgPT9Gzhuc

[tacfoley]

Excellent information Des.

Here's an interesting video of the LePage .36. This guy is getting good results with very low charges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJgPT9Gzhuc

The gentleman in the video is Balaszc Néméth, the #1 Hungarian BP pistol shooter, international champion and all-round good egg. He runs a company in Budapest that majors in BP fireamrs of all kinds. He is also the front man for Davide Pedersoli S.p.a, and rightly so - his results over many years with the products of that company paper the walls back in Italy. When he speaks, he is to be believed.

tac

[DesG]

I've got a pot of Henry Krank's finest cooking BP so when I have a quiet moment I'll run a few similar loads across the chrono and see exactly how it compares to Swiss. Just for the hell of it type thing!!

[Turnup]

That would make an interesting comparison.

[steve medlock]

I hated the damn stuff in school dinners and have finally found a use for it. It acts as a buffer between the powder and ball and also scrubs the bore a tad each shot. I find it improves my group a bit and my scores are a bit higher when I use it. Opinions on its use vary!

Ok thanks & interesting. I'd not heard of filler being used with patched ball before.

Steve.

[DesG]

The bore of the le Page is 9mm diameter give or take. The chamber where the powder goes is actually 7mm diameter for a depth of about 8mm. With a small bp charge it's possible to have a small gap between the powder and patched ball. Not enough to be a hazard but possibly enough to be inconsistent perhaps. This is number 8721 in my book of excuses for missing the target. I've fitted a 7mm drill bit on a rod to clean out the gunk in the chamber every ten shots or so. It's quite suprising how much builds up in there quite quickly, changing the size of the chamber, (number 8722). Maybe the filler helps. The bloke Tac mentioned who shoots rather well for Pedersoli uses an equal measure of filler to BP.

Added to the above, I've never had a patch burn through while using filler.

[tacfoley]

The bore of the le Page is 9mm diameter give or take. The chamber where the powder goes is actually 7mm diameter for a depth of about 8mm. With a small bp charge it's possible to have a small gap between the powder and patched ball. Not enough to be a hazard but possibly enough to be inconsistent perhaps. This is number 8721 in my book of excuses for missing the target. I've fitted a 7mm drill bit on a rod to clean out the gunk in the chamber every ten shots or so. It's quite suprising how much builds up in there quite quickly, changing the size of the chamber, (number 8722). Maybe the filler helps. The bloke Tac mentioned who shoots rather well for Pedersoli uses an equal measure of filler to BP.

Added to the above, I've never had a patch burn through while using filler.

Actually, he shoots very well for the Hungarian national muzzle-loading team, using Pedersoli products.

The reduced-sized chamber of the Pedersoli pistol is called either a Patent or High Pressure breech, and is commonly found in ML target rifles of the day.

tac

[Turnup]

Actually, he shoots very well for the Hungarian national muzzle-loading team, using Pedersoli products.

The reduced-sized chamber of the Pedersoli pistol is called either a Patent or High Pressure breech, and is commonly found in ML target rifles of the day.

tac

Might be some difference between US and UK patents here. Henry Nock took out a UK patent on a breech design which (in various different ways) incorporated a small "pre-ignition" chamber either in the nipple pocket or at the base of the breech, for UK guns this is known as the "patent breech". The essential feature is that a part of the charge is constrained in the pre-ignition chamber and when ignited will project high pressure gasses into the main charge. Claims to increase Mv.

This does not seem to be the same configuration as described by DesG (or have I not understood it properly).

[tacfoley]

Might be some difference between US and UK patents here. Henry Nock took out a UK patent on a breech design which (in various different ways) incorporated a small "pre-ignition" chamber either in the nipple pocket or at the base of the breech, for UK guns this is known as the "patent breech". The essential feature is that a part of the charge is constrained in the pre-ignition chamber and when ignited will project high pressure gasses into the main charge. Claims to increase Mv.

This does not seem to be the same configuration as described by DesG (or have I not understood it properly).

o.

tac

[Turnup]

Tac, A little research suggests to me that there is a US patent breech whereby the nipple and flash hole is drilled through the breech plug. While this might have a similar effect, I don't think that the respective innovations are equivalent. Interesting stuff tho'

[Turnup]

The bore of the le Page is 9mm diameter give or take. The chamber where the powder goes is actually 7mm diameter for a depth of about 8mm. With a small bp charge it's possible to have a small gap between the powder and patched ball. Not enough to be a hazard but possibly enough to be inconsistent perhaps. This is number 8721 in my book of excuses for missing the target. I've fitted a 7mm drill bit on a rod to clean out the gunk in the chamber every ten shots or so. It's quite suprising how much builds up in there quite quickly, changing the size of the chamber, (number 8722). Maybe the filler helps. The bloke Tac mentioned who shoots rather well for Pedersoli uses an equal measure of filler to BP.

Added to the above, I've never had a patch burn through while using filler.

Thanks for the explanation DesG. I was puzzling how a filler could help, but the breech design means that it is not possible to fully seat the ball on a light charge, hence the filler.