Re-badged pellets.

[bozzer]

I sometimes wonder how many of those who get so retentive about head sizes and batch numbers actually possess the marksmanship skills to be able to differentiate...

When I was testing various batches of AA 0.177 to try and find a replacement for my original good batch, you could have randomly given me 10 pellets from different tins and not told me which tin they were from and, just by shooting groups at 35 yards and not looking at the pellets, I could have told you which tins/batches they were from.

Many others will be able to do the same.

The difference can be quite dramatic.

[RobF]

I sometimes wonder how many of those who get so retentive about head sizes and batch numbers actually possess the marksmanship skills to be able to differentiate...

Certainly makes you wonder about those that aren't

[Brian.Samson]

I sometimes wonder how many of those who get so retentive about head sizes and batch numbers actually possess the marksmanship skills to be able to differentiate...

You're probably right and it depends on how accurate you want to be. For Bench Rest where you're trying to hit a 2mm centre every time, it might be important. Resting on a bench with a PCP tends to put more demands on your kit than it does on the shooter, but I guess that's part of the fun of it?

For FT/HFT I don't think you need to do any more than finding a batch that groups well and just shoot those straight from the tin. If you're hunting and keep your ranges to a sensible limit it probably matters even less - and besides no one's recording your score when you're hunting - it's all down to your own conscience at the end of the day.

I usually find it's better to have the information and then take the decision whether you're going to use it or not than not to have the information in the first place.

The link I posted above of the review of the PelletGage - saw the group size improve from 20mm to just 6mm for a 10 shot group at 25 yards with pellets from the same tin. That could easily be the difference between a kill and a wound on a rabbit or a hit or split on a knockdown target. But I guess if you don't have the ability to group to 6mm at 25 yards in the first place, you probably wouldn't notice.

[venoman]

Most of the Remington pellets are made by H&N.

[El Garro]

So should .177 JSB exacts go through my Prosport about the same as the AA version? I want to stock pile some for later use and hopefully can get away with not paying £11 for a tin of AA's from my local gun shop, I can't see AA pellets mentioned on any of the German suppliers sites but JSB's are and are a hell of a lot cheaper than over here.

Pete

I've tested Jsb against AA 4.52 in my Prosport. The Jsb gave slightly lower power than the AA but variation from one shot to another was similar,
did it with a couple of batches from different tins but couldn't say if it'll be the same for every PS.
The guy at AA who I asked told me that they had their own set of dies for their pellets
I've stuck with AA pellets for it ever since.

[lensman57]

I've tested Jsb against AA 4.52 in my Prosport. The Jsb gave slightly lower power than the AA but variation from one shot to another was similar,
did it with a couple of batches from different tins but couldn't say if it'll be the same for every PS.
The guy at AA who I asked told me that they had their own set of dies for their pellets
I've stuck with AA pellets for it ever since.

Curious, I find the complete opposite in my Prosport .177. The JSBs are as much as 15 ft/s faster and more consistent. They both work equally well in my Huntsman regal though.

A.G

[look no hands]

I've tested Jsb against AA 4.52 in my Prosport. The Jsb gave slightly lower power than the AA but variation from one shot to another was similar,
did it with a couple of batches from different tins but couldn't say if it'll be the same for every PS.
The guy at AA who I asked told me that they had their own set of dies for their pellets
I've stuck with AA pellets for it ever since.

Curious, I find the complete opposite in my Prosport .177. The JSBs are as much as 15 ft/s faster and more consistent. They both work equally well in my Huntsman regal though.

A.G

How do they compare for accuracy?

Pete

[angrybear]

I've got possibly the worlds most pellet fussy Rapid .25 cal the only pellets not to give "groups" the size of a bucket are JSB/AA,

I've had them with various insert shapes at the back & the difference is so negligible as to not be worth worrying about.

[El Garro]

How do they compare for accuracy?

Pete

I honestly couldn't say, the AA pellets work really well and apart from the odd tin of Jsb when I couldn't get AA, that's all I use. so never thought to compare them on targets.

[ivortripod]

Tried some Tyrant 177s and never again. So much oil I used tweezers to load and every 5/6th pellet was mis-shaped. Apart from that : lovely

[pumpygun]

Apparently Whierauch FFT are rebadged H&N FTT.

In the subject of batches, I'm currently having a right chew finding a pellet my 97kt likes (I blame the stupid nickel plating process getting in the barrel) I've managed to find ONE batch number of AAfield it groups with and absolutely nothing else works, even other batches of the same brand/type of pellet. As has been said earlier by posters a lot wiser than me, if you find that magically suited pellet for your gun than buy that particular batch while you can.

[capt hindsight]

H and N Baracuda Match are re branded as Bisley mags ]

H&N Baracuda are Bisley Mags but the Baracuda 'Match' is a slightly different weight I think having come from specific die rather than multiple dies. The H&N match seem to be marketed as a premium brand Bisley Mag, have to admit that the tins of H&N match that I've purchased are a better finished pellet than the Bisleys. Not that much in it but having made a direct comparison I'd go for the H&N Match every time.

[banksy!]

I have found that some pellets supposedly rebadged perform very differently.
H&N FTT are the best pellets for my rifle and are said to be the same pellet as Accupell FT. But comparing the two side by side, there is a big difference in performance.

[dayglowfroggy]

Does anybody know what pellets are made by Gammo ? found them being sold cheap and looking into it apparently gammo make the most pellets in the world (according to the ever reliable wikki).
Since you don't see or here much about gammo branded pellets my guess is they make them for other brands but which? or is that the usual spin and they don't make any pellets themselves.

Strange but my very old 1980 hw80 .22 seemed to like accupel over falcons and gave much higher fpds though the falcons are a very soft lead and the accupels are hard and don't squish into the barrel.

It's the first gun I have had that prefers accupels over jsb/falcons.

I only started buying falcons as jsb rs are hard to come by especially in .22 and according to a few sources falcons are jsb rs, sometimes cheaper too .My tin of .22 falcons was much better than the .22 jsb rs I got from a bay seller I think they must of been factory sweepings one in every 4 dented and a few other size pellets in there put me off getting jsb from the bay.

[rabbitwrecker]

I only started buying falcons as jsb rs are hard to come by especially in .22 and according to a few sources falcons are jsb rs, sometimes cheaper too .My tin of .22 falcons was much better than the .22 jsb rs I got from a bay seller I think they must of been factory sweepings one in every 4 dented and a few other size pellets in there put me off getting jsb from the bay.

I buy all my RS (both calibres) from Voymir - via the 'Bay - and have never had a problem with damaged pellets. A quick look at his page shows both calibres in stock....