Nitro muzzle loader

[tacfoley]

Have a look at this http://planetairgun.com/index.php?topic=2603.0 .32 nitro muzzle loader

Isn't that the ill-fated BritArms pistol from a few years back? Over a thousand or so, IIRC.

tac

[tim56]

Have a look at the Anvil. Uberti made Remington NMA with a new cylinder proofed for nitro powder. I have a 51/2" barrelled
one and its brilliant. Easy to load with no fillers or lubes. Powder dispenser dumps the correct amount of powder directly into
each cylinder, .457 ball lubed with Alox on top and a shotgun primer in the back. No messy cleaning ritual or pre loading phials.
Just load and shoot. Iv only stripped mine twice in over a year of shooting it and had no problems at all with it. The only
issue if i was being picky is the skinny front sight but thats a NMA thing not an Anvil thing. Check the website out they come
in various barrel lengths to suit your own taste, brilliant. Tim

Oops, just had a look at the Anvil web site and production is coming to an end so if you want one grab one before they are gone.
Shame as they really are a nice bit of kit.

[airgunnut]

Isn't that the ill-fated BritArms pistol from a few years back? Over a thousand or so, IIRC.

tac

All i know is it's a zylab patriot pistol in .32, I was told they stopped making this as they were going to concentrate on a bigger caliber, which was never made
It's fun to shoot though

[1066]

Isn't that the ill-fated BritArms pistol from a few years back? Over a thousand or so, IIRC.

tac

No, not the same animal at all Tac, they just look similar because they are designed for the same job. The Britarms was an excellent .22 semi-auto target pistol taking a 5 shot magazine, designed for shooting the UIT .22 precision events at International level. This British made pistol was effectively competing alongside FAS 602's, Walther GSP's, Hammerli etc. right up to the handgun ban.

The UIT centrefire precision matches, required a calibre of .32 or more. When I started competing I used a S&W K38, Mod 14. Although it was the single action only target version with handmade fitted grips, I soon realized it couldn't keep up with the specially designed .32 pistols. I then switched to a Pardini .32 which again looks similar to most of the other out and out target pistols - The pistol had to fit in the prescribed box, all had 5 shot magazines that would only accept full wadcutter ammo, very low sightlines etc.

When our pistols were confiscated, our competition shooting came to a dead stop. We were allowed muzzle loaders so the .32 Patriot pistol was designed to allow us to still compete in UIT competitions by conforming to the rules. It's a 5 shot UIT pistol in .32 calibre but is a muzzle loader.

The 5 shot magazine is pre-loaded and fits across the action. It's advanced for each shot by manually racking back the action. The UIT course for the duelling phase has the targets face away for 7 seconds and face for 3 seconds, plenty of time to rack the action and be ready for the next face.

[Preacher]

You can run nitro in traditional black powder gun that have cases. I have have been shooting antique winchester rifles for a number of years. These are all black powder shooter, but I now I use nitro - some of my guns I use half loads.

[airgunnut]

If the gun is NOT proofed for nitro then don't use it! it could be the last thing you do.

[Preacher]

If the gun is NOT proofed for nitro then don't use it! it could be the last thing you do.

I have been shooting old Winchesters for 30 years and have a 1876 Winchester carbine that the 45-75 round was developed for black power use.

This rifle has been to the proof house in London and I decided on my visit with the proof master to go for a certificate of non proof.

I happily shot on a regular basis with a slow burning powder. I would need to hunt in the cuboard for the type.

I have friends in the US who do the same.

[1066]

In the event of any accident - and with a 150 year old rifle it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility, I'm sure there would be a problem with insurance. If a you're a member of a club, their insurance wouldn't cover you and I pretty sure under BASC third party liability there would be a problem.

You might get away with a Nitro BP substitute like Pyrodex etc.

[Preacher]

I have used Hodgdon H4198 in the past and now use reloader 7. The association I am in have insurance for shooting this type of vintage arm using this powder

https://www.dropbox.com/s/an008s4046...%20PM.jpg?dl=0

[Preacher]

I agree with Pyrodex.

Reloader 7 is a slow burning rifle powder, it requires a lot less powder and depending on the shoot, I work on half loads which are fine for 100 yards.

http://www.curtrich.com/bpsubsdummies.html

In the event of any accident - and with a 150 year old rifle it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility, I'm sure there would be a problem with insurance. If a you're a member of a club, their insurance wouldn't cover you and I pretty sure under BASC third party liability there would be a problem.

You might get away with a Nitro BP substitute like Pyrodex etc.

[tacfoley]

I have been shooting old Winchesters for 30 years and have a 1876 Winchester carbine that the 45-75 round was developed for black power use.

This rifle has been to the proof house in London and I decided on my visit with the proof master to go for a certificate of non proof.

I happily shot on a regular basis with a slow burning powder. I would need to hunt in the cuboard for the type.

I have friends in the US who do the same.

A 'certificate of non-proof' is like the 'pause' key on your computer keyboard. Meaningless.

What is the point of having a document that proves that your gun is not proofed?

Have I missed something blindingly obvious here?

tac

sent from my raspberry @02:19PT

[tacfoley]

I, too, shoot H4198 in my .45-70. 32gr behind a 405gr lead FN bullet does well out to 300m, being little more than a plinking load. However, my rifle, designed to shoot lead and not jacketed bullets, is a replication of the Browning /Winchester High wall, and NOT an original. It CAN shoot nitro loads, of course, and is proofed to do so, but it is made of modern steel, not iron, like your old Winchester[s].

For a laff I also shoot Pyrodex RS - for the smoke and boom, of course - since I don't have the necessary paperwork for BP.

I, too, do a lot of shooting in the US and Canada, where are are no national/federal proof houses of any kind. Instead, the ANSI/SAAMI organisations set the standards for pressure testing for manufacturers of modern arms that may use either contemporary or historic propellants. Production arms ARE proof tested in the factory.

Older stuff?

You are on your own.

tac

sent from my raspberry @02:30PT

[tacfoley]

You can run nitro in traditional black powder gun that have cases. I have have been shooting antique winchester rifles for a number of years. These are all black powder shooter, but I now you nitro - some of my guns I use half loads.

If the gun - whatever it is - is NOT proofed for ANY kind of nitro load, then it is only a matter of time before you aim up with a kit of parts that may or may not have crippled you as it disassembles.

I'm advised that Trailboss might be a reliable substitute for a BP load - is THAT what you are using?

tac

[CLINT3]

I've now bought a Westlake Alfa .357 and it's 'kin lovely. It is a s/h gun but not a mark on it and came with a load of kit including holster, bullets, primers, Herco etc. and I traded my R&S.
It's much admired by all and shoots like a 'proper' revolver from the pre-nanny days. With the 2 extra cylinders I can shoot 18 rounds in quick time, accurate too.
Really pleased with it.

[jimhallam]

Have a look at the Surrey Branch MLAGB website. We have a meeting for ALL types of M-L Pistols / Revolvers this coming weekend (14/15 September) at Bisley --- including smokeless conversions and "Patriots" / "Westlakes"
Slow-, timed-, Rapidfire, turning targets and "against the clock"
One and / or two -handed

Cheapest entry fees -- down to £5 per course of fire.

(The Branch runs 3 of these meetings a year -- - one as part of the Army Target Shooting Club open, one in the "middle weekend " of the NRA Imperial Meeting and this one in mid-September.)