may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
Stock, blueing, trigger, trigger-guard all not up to Venom standard. As the seller said he would do a swap back I can't see the issue. Probable that he thought it was a Venom too, and the self-proclaimed 'expert' was just that, a 'self-proclaimed' expert who doesn't know his onions. Thing is, if someone said here's a Venom for swapsies and they gave me that to have a look at I would have said 'no thanks mate', Venom or no Venom heritage. I would go for the evidence in front of me every time. Even Venom could have its off days...Originally Posted by GSMN1
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Funny you should say that.
I have an old Venom 35 .177 from the elderly original owner who said he had commissioned the work on it from Venom.
He was very proud of it.
It has brass plaques with Venom and his initials on it.
He had won many a Competition with it.
Period scope.
I do not doubt he was telling the truth.
It shot like cr*p.
So I gave it to my tuner who made it nice.
He said if that's Venom internals it must have been the work experience boy.
may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
The very early Venoms were reputedly heavily sprung and rather 'Soviet' in their performance-enhancing modifications... there was a learning curve about what worked and what didn't. While I am sure the work that today's V-Mach does is superb, I think that by reading the posts by T20, edbear2, Jon Budd et al one can work out an optimum tune for your particular rifle or pistol without spending more than fifty or a hundred pounds. If you start with a TX200 or HW99S it could be even less than that ...
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Thanks for sharing your story with this gun. I think we have all bought a gun which wasn't quite the real deal.
Its funny some people think I know something about Venoms! What I always say is every one should be taken on its own merit and that taken with a pinch of salt. In 30 years of Venom production there have been so many different variations. In the early days they tried and experimented a lot. All sorts of work was done, and some periods the work got a little more standardised!! But only for a while until they did some improvements!!
Add that to enthusiasts always tinkering with their kit, swopping and changing bits, then its not surprising that there is a right hodge podge out there.
I own one Venom, but could never prove it. Its high quality and firing cycle ensures it can't be anything else "probably".
It is annoying when a premium is paid for a gun, and soon after its shown that something is not quite right. The gun trade has always been cut throat and for all the charm just business. On par with second hand car dealing. Know your onions and you might not get burnt as often, can still happen.
What is really annoying is if you are honest you won't pass on that pup to another. I've taken a good few hits because I'm honest. Sharp Inovas I'm a succour for getting poor ones; never again to the point I wont have one.
Lastly, with few examples of what you want coming onto the market then sometimes the only way is to be quick. Its a risk and you won't win every time. All part of the fun of collecting... not. Learn something new on every transaction. Eventually, you will have the collection that you love... well most of it.
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[QUOTE=Hsing-ee;6996286]The very early Venoms were reputedly heavily sprung and rather 'Soviet' in their performance-enhancing modifications... there was a learning curve about what worked and what didn't.
Yes my tuning mate said that as well!
I knew the owner was straight as they come and he wouldn't take much for it either.
So I have had two real Venoms out of six.
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The best tuned gun of yesterday-year I ever shot was in the very early 1980's and it was built by a chap called Mike Wade of Ilford Essex , it was an HW 80 he re-stroked it with a mild spring the result was a very smooth and effortless cocking action very little recoil and power very close to 12 full , it's a shame he ain't still at it , does anyone remember him ?.
Rgds kev
may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
Rings a bell, didn't he sell high-quality springs? Wade Engineering? I think a HW80 kept at its natural stroke with a well-fitting guide and a soft spring would be practically recoilless. As far as I remember most of the early ones were doing 16 fpe, the springs not being reduced enough... no wonder it got a rep for being powerful in those days before cheap chronos..
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I remember having several telephone conversations with Mike and have copies of both versions of his book -- a very nice man.
The first mention of him was in the letters pages of Airgunworld way before he started his Viper tuning company off the back of his "Power Without Powder" book.
All the best Mick
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I buy rifles either:
1. Description says they need some work, and priced accordingly. Usually they turn out to be better than expected.
2. I expect them to be broken, abused, messed with, need fixing anyway. Advert usually says "hardly used" etc. I have only ever just bought my first rifle that has needed no work!!!! A superstar .25 from Guy. Other that that 1 rifle, there is a lot of junk out there. The guns are in a lot better state when I get rid, than when I recieve!!!
Thanks - Geoff.
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So what I'm minded to do is phone 'The Airgun Specialist' on Monday and ask him upfront. That way I will know if we have a deviant "seller" amongst our ranks or an incompetent / fraudulent gunsmith. Then I can report back. Saves anyone else making the same mistake.
Appreciate the feedback, advice and camaraderie.
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may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
Why not? The stock is an immediate giveaway, there is no Venom ever made with a stock like the one pictures, and Venom would not sell one with the big grain flaw through the butt like that.
By the way, your HW35 was fitted into a HW55 Tyrolean stock rather than an HW50 Tyrolean? I have never heard of a HW50 Tyro ....
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Yes. Your correct. Hw55.
Re: the stock. That's the best bit of it IMO :-). Love that graining. Am working away on the stock to try and bring out the best in it.
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Stock is definitely genuine Venom made by custom stocks of Sheffield.
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I remember having several telephone conversations with Mike and have copies of both versions of his book -- a very nice man.
The first mention of him was in the letters pages of Airgunworld way before he started his Viper tuning company off the back of his "Power Without Powder" book.
All the best Mick
I have a copy somewhere Mick, Allbeit a little worse for being left in a shed for years!!
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may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
I stand corrected. Maybe it was just the stock that was Venom then ... made by CS?
I bought a HW85 (oldschool) a while back that was supposed to have had Venomisation. When I popped it open I did indeed find a set of rear button bearings on the piston and what looked like a Venom washer on the front end. But there was no mod on the breech jaws nor any sign of a sticker or anything else. So I think it was just a tweaked gun - but by who? No-one knows .... Shoots smooth as a smooth thing though.
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