Reply With QuoteThanks , it's what I figured .
Makes Scrooge look Happy and Generous!
Between £49 and £55 or thereabouts!Originally Posted by Quig
Seriously though, it depends a lot on the condition but if it's good - a collector would be very interested in that if you have all the relative paperwork - an original (genuine) BSA 'one off' would be very rare and collectable. I would imagine that normal valuations would be rather meaningless, especially if you got a couple of collectors bidding against each other? It's got to be worth a bit more than a standard offering hasn't it? It all really depends on how much someone is willing to pay?
(Why am I starting to perspire?)
Good luck with your sale!
Brexit!
ASM
I am a Man of La Northumberlandia, a true Knight and spend my days on my Quest (my duty nay privilege!) and fighting dragons and unbeatable foe, to right the unrightable wrongs, to bear with unbearable sorrow and dreaming my impossible dreams.
Registered User
Airpoter Stuzen
Thanks , it's what I figured .
Makes Scrooge look Happy and Generous!
I believe that some early Airsporters (Mk1s and 2s) were specially commisioned for 'high market' buyers via specialist outlets in very low volume or one off production runs, these fetch premium prices when they reach auction, having special features/stocks etc/additions etc.
It would be good to know more about these rifles, if anyone knows more, unfortunately, it's my guess that a lot of these were either 'secret' or one offs and little is recorded about them. (even in BSA records)
Additionally, rather than BSA, some guns may have been modified by owners/gunsmiths and specialist suppliers for customers after production/sale by BSA.
Supporting paperwork is crucial for these types of rifles!
Brexit!
ASM
I am a Man of La Northumberlandia, a true Knight and spend my days on my Quest (my duty nay privilege!) and fighting dragons and unbeatable foe, to right the unrightable wrongs, to bear with unbearable sorrow and dreaming my impossible dreams.
Registered User
I'd love to see the pictures and may well be interested at some stage if the price is right (I'm not rich) kellard841@btinternet.com
Makes Scrooge look Happy and Generous!
Quite something to own a unique 'special one off' like that - rarer even than a Centenary!
Brexit!
ASM
I am a Man of La Northumberlandia, a true Knight and spend my days on my Quest (my duty nay privilege!) and fighting dragons and unbeatable foe, to right the unrightable wrongs, to bear with unbearable sorrow and dreaming my impossible dreams.
Registered User
I've seen the occasional Stutzen Airsporter stock on the Protek site, at about 40 quid if I remember rightly. They don't hang around for long though. I considered getting one & grafting in an ordinary Airsorter action as well.
Registered User
Pictures sent to James.k .
Even better looking than a HW35
So are we talking a standard RB2 action (ie full length barrel) in a standard RB2 Stutzen stock, so it looks like the Centenary model but with an RB2 loading system?Quite something to own a unique 'special one off' like that - rarer even than a Centenary!
Brexit!
ASM
Pete
Far too many rifles to list now, all mainly British but the odd pesky foreigner has snuck in
Makes Scrooge look Happy and Generous!
I think that's what he's saying Pete, I think this sort of convertion will have been carried out by numerous people, I even toyed with it myself in the past, however, the one he's talking about was done by BSA as a 'one off' and has the supporting paperwork as I understand it - so rare?
Brexit!
ASM
I am a Man of La Northumberlandia, a true Knight and spend my days on my Quest (my duty nay privilege!) and fighting dragons and unbeatable foe, to right the unrightable wrongs, to bear with unbearable sorrow and dreaming my impossible dreams.
Even better looking than a HW35
I see, to be honest I think the Centenary models look geeky with the barrel longer than the stock, a normal carbine length Stutzen looks far better, trouble is with paperwork being easy to forge and photoshop nowadays how do we know it's not just been put together in someones shed and the paperwork made up to look authentic on his computer, I'm not calling anyone dishonest here but it goes on, I have a rare Airsporter carbine S but have been told that fakes may have been made in the past with walnut stocks obtained from BSA spares dept. in the past and added to standard carbines, even the serial numbers are the same as standard carbines and Stutzens but they are supposed to be rarer than the Centenary models but you try proving that.
Fair enough it would be easy money for BSA to slap a standard action in a Stutzen stock and charge the buyer a fortune thinking he's getting a "one off" just because the bit of paper says so, what if he lost the paperwork? then all he'd be left with is a cut and shut hybrid that could have been put together with two crappy rifles that just luckily had a decent stock and action, I'm not trying to piss on anyone's bombfire or even add fuel to it but if it goes on in the collectors car scene then an air rifle is even easier to fake or say is "rare" or a "one off", how many times do you see "rare" put into a listing far a part for a car or air rifle or anything come to think about it on the bay of evil and the price for said item go nuts, when people like you and I know that you can pick them up pretty cheap on forums etc.
Pete
Last edited by look no hands; 09-06-2016 at 04:51 PM.
Far too many rifles to list now, all mainly British but the odd pesky foreigner has snuck in
Makes Scrooge look Happy and Generous!
I guess it would be difficult to argue with that, I couldn't say, I don't think the records were very decisive, any 'one offs' are unlikely to be recorded, so possibly an 'unscrupulous' person could try to pass something off that it wasn't, (not saying that's the case here, just that it's possible to do) at least the Centenaries had the script 'One of a thousand' stamped into the cyl, hell, even that could be 'forged'?
Brexit!
ASM
I am a Man of La Northumberlandia, a true Knight and spend my days on my Quest (my duty nay privilege!) and fighting dragons and unbeatable foe, to right the unrightable wrongs, to bear with unbearable sorrow and dreaming my impossible dreams.
Registered User
Sorry guys missed part of the conversation there . Yep it looks pretty much like a standard RB2 airsporter in a stuzen stock . How ever I have the paperwork to say that it was done by BSA for a customer . the box has the name Stuzen sporter ? . I'm not saying its worth the crown jewels or anything or trying to pass it of for something it isn't .I spotted the topic and thought I would mention it as this gun is exactly what Jams is on about As for it value , same as always its what someone is prepared to pay or put another way how much you want it .
Hope I have not offended anyone . many thanks Shane
Even better looking than a HW35
Far from it Shane, I'm not trying to say your rifle is a fake or anything, it just seems a bit of a oddity really, I certainly wouldn't ask BSA to do said conversion for me (only because I think it would look ugly) but too some it will look just right, I think my comments are more out of frustration/anger towards BSA for not bothering to reply to me when I asked them for help dating/how many produced, when I got my Airsporter carbine S but nothing from them and John Knibbs want £25 to look up your info, I nearly bought one of the Centenary Walnut Stutzen stocks from Knibbs but found out that the standard carbine barrel will still stick out the end of the stock and that just puts me off.
Pete
Far too many rifles to list now, all mainly British but the odd pesky foreigner has snuck in
Registered User
I've seen the photos and the rifle looks fine, really nice. It isn't the Stutzen I used to own (tap loading) but that is long gone, never to return. This one is almost as sweet, the barrel protruding from the end I could live with and in effect it is what I have been considering doing myself, the fact that it's been done properly by BSA themselves is a plus.
It's now just a matter of working out what I can afford to spare, everyone else's call on my money, apparently, being infinitely more important than anything I might wish for.
Registered User
I think I lost the will to live somewhere in the thread!
It's great different versions of the Airsporter turn up. It is unlikely anyone would try and forge papers for a none standard gun thats probably worth the same as the other equivalent special models.
Personally I dont like the Stutzens at all, they dont look like anything to me,neither hunting rifle nor air rifle and I would much rather have a carbine S model or even a late standard S or RB2. So its a matter of taste, and I would quite like the RB2 Airsporter in my collection, yet I have no intention of buying a Stutty or the slightly better looking centenary.
Just for interest, I am currently building a standard length Mk1 S from parts, with a late unused 'S' short integral under lever walnut stock. I have managed to source all the parts now including a brand new push button under lever complete.
It's a good job we are all different.
BASC
Posting Permissions
