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Thread: Anyone seen this..... 11589 air rifles handed in in Scotland!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    I wonder how many personal tales and fine memories some of these lovely old rifles could tell of?

    Okay, some may have been owned by some scroaty types, with no real interest or passion of Airguns or our sport. But some may have been previously owned by caring, enthusiast owners.

    For those wanting to despose of their rifles and not apply for a licence, could some body (dealer or otherwise) not offer to buy them, arrange multiple collections on the same day and bring them over here for re-distribution / re-use?

    Such a sad waste.
    This is a lovely statement to make. Imagine if in the wild west the US marshals asked for all the horses to be handed over to the authority because a few outlaws used them to rob the trains or the banks. This is how absurd our law making has become. Insteade of tackling the criminals and remove their rifles they make criminals out of everyone with an airgun and remove the lot. Something is not right with this land of " logic and rational ".

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    A tiny word

    He added: "Every weapon handed in had the potential to cause serious harm within our communities If misused, and to have more than 11,000 fewer weapons in existence has made Scotland a safer place

    Every Car, Taser and Truncheon in the possession of the police has the same potential if you apply the word If
    How about replacing If with Capable

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    Quote Originally Posted by QUIGLEY View Post
    A tiny word

    He added: "Every weapon handed in had the potential to cause serious harm within our communities If misused, and to have more than 11,000 fewer weapons in existence has made Scotland a safer place

    Every Car, Taser and Truncheon in the possession of the police has the same potential if you apply the word If
    How about replacing If with Capable

    Edd
    Its like minority report, why not just jail us all because we all have the potential to cause harm in the community?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lensman57 View Post
    [...] Imagine if in the wild west the US marshals asked for all the horses to be handed over to the authority because a few outlaws used them to rob the trains or the banks. This is how absurd our law making has become. Instead of tackling the criminals and remove their rifles they make criminals out of everyone with an airgun and remove the lot. Something is not right with this land of " logic and rational ".

    A.G
    Well that's not exactly it, because airguns are being licensed rather than banned. And naturally some are sure to be surrendered. There are always people whom (for one reason or another) don't want to apply for a licence.

    But otherwise, yes. It's exactly how stupid it is.

    If it wasn't so tragic, it'd be funny.

    As Prince Phillip said in '96:

    "I sympathise desperately with the people who are bereaved at Dunblane, but I'm not altogether convinced that it's the best system to somehow shift the blame onto a very large and peaceable part of the community," he said.

    He added: "I mean if ... look, if somebody ... if a cricketer, for instance, suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat which he could do very easily, I mean are you going to ban cricket bats?" There was "no evidence" that people who used weapons for sport were any more dangerous than people who used golf clubs, tennis racquets or cricket bats. Prince Philip said in an interview for an Inside Edge programme to be broadcast this evening that he believed that transferring the blame for Thomas Hamilton's murder of 16 children and their teacher on to "sport shooters" was "a little unreasonable".

    Calling for MPs and campaigners to pause and think before the measure finally became law, he continued: "I think one's got to make a difference between what the weapons can do and what the people can do."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rooti McNote View Post
    Well that's not exactly it, because airguns are being licensed rather than banned. And naturally some are sure to be surrendered. There are always people whom (for one reason or another) don't want to apply for a licence.

    But otherwise, yes. It's exactly how stupid it is.

    If it wasn't so tragic, it'd be funny.

    As Prince Phillip said in '96:

    "I sympathise desperately with the people who are bereaved at Dunblane, but I'm not altogether convinced that it's the best system to somehow shift the blame onto a very large and peaceable part of the community," he said.

    He added: "I mean if ... look, if somebody ... if a cricketer, for instance, suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat which he could do very easily, I mean are you going to ban cricket bats?" There was "no evidence" that people who used weapons for sport were any more dangerous than people who used golf clubs, tennis racquets or cricket bats. Prince Philip said in an interview for an Inside Edge programme to be broadcast this evening that he believed that transferring the blame for Thomas Hamilton's murder of 16 children and their teacher on to "sport shooters" was "a little unreasonable".

    Calling for MPs and campaigners to pause and think before the measure finally became law, he continued: "I think one's got to make a difference between what the weapons can do and what the people can do."
    They have not banned it but they have put down conditions that no one knows how to fulfil yet. Like belonging to an " approved " air gun club but the clubs not knowing how get approval. I for one have no objection to a licence if it were to serve that right purpose. But as I said before , I do not trust that they don't have a political agenda behind this licencing scam. BTW that man can talk sense sometimes which is more often than our politicians who are only interested in advancing their carriers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lensman57 View Post
    They have not banned it but they have put down conditions that no one knows how to fulfil yet. Like belonging to an " approved " air gun club but the clubs not knowing how get approval. I for one have no objection to a licence if it were to serve that right purpose. But as I said before , I do not trust that they don't have a political agenda behind this licencing scam. BTW that man can talk sense sometimes which is more often than our politicians who are only interested in advancing their carriers.

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    Ah, I wasn't aware of that, Ali. One can only hope that the conditions are set straight before licencing comes into force... although club approval procedure would seem to be specified here:

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2016/188/made

    As I said before though - in my opinion - it's tragic. And if expanded across the UK, will kill off shooting sports at the roots. Which is what some men must want.

    To quote Benjamin Franklin:

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."


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    Sorry fellows your rights are being neutered

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    Pile of Scots Airguns

    Picture in Daily Mail.
    Two thoughts.
    Why carefully log and label them when they are to be destroyed?
    Which links into next thought -have they really not got anything more important to do?
    Like fighting crime?

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    They are only labelling the .177 ones
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    They have to catalogue whats handed in. For example, not all of the guns handed in are air guns, they've had a few old WWII service revolvers and a few rimmies included with the haul.

    Still it's a crying shame seeing so many air guns going to the scrappy, but there we are.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Zomboid View Post
    500000 in circulation
    11000 handed in (2%)
    182 crimes firearms last year - c.90 involved an air gun
    1 toddler killed 11 years ago.

    Chief Constable Phil Gormley hailed the response to the three week campaign as "fantastic".

    Scottish Justice Secretary Michael Matheson said the response to the amnesty was "extremely encouraging".
    "The new licensing regime is not a ban on air weapons but a means of ensuring people can use air weapons in a regulated way without compromising public safety," he said.

    Yes because before everyone was wandering around the streets shooting eachother wondering why there isn't a licence.


    Dear Mr Matheson,

    How is a piece of paper going to prevent an unlicensed air rifle from killing a toddler?

    Yours sincerely,

    You are an idiot.
    The only reason why this law was eventually passed was because the Home Office devolved that part of the Firearms Acts concerned with air guns to the political small fry who currently run Scotland. Against all logic they just had to flex their muscles. I still believe the whole process will turn into a crock of shit which costs a fortune and makes those responsible look like idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salamander View Post
    The only reason why this law was eventually passed was because the Home Office devolved that part of the Firearms Acts concerned with air guns to the political small fry who currently run Scotland. Against all logic they just had to flex their muscles. I still believe the whole process will turn into a crock of shit which costs a fortune and makes those responsible look like idiots.
    That's it exactly, Salamander. Obsessed with flexing their muscles and nonsensical posturing to put them in a contrary position to the rest of the UK. Just because they can.
    As things stand currently, over 95% of the estimated 500,000 airguns in Scotland are still with their owners. Even if the percentage falls further before the end of the amnesty, that's still an lot of guns out there. A lot of licenses will be required or should be required.
    I think they're going to be busy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salamander View Post
    The only reason why this law was eventually passed was because the Home Office devolved that part of the Firearms Acts concerned with air guns to the political small fry who currently run Scotland. Against all logic they just had to flex their muscles. I still believe the whole process will turn into a crock of shit which costs a fortune and makes those responsible look like idiots.
    With a bit of luck the UK gov will not go down the licensing route simply because the Scots did it first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rooti McNote View Post
    Ah, I wasn't aware of that, Ali. One can only hope that the conditions are set straight before licencing comes into force... although club approval procedure would seem to be specified here:

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2016/188/made

    As I said before though - in my opinion - it's tragic. And if expanded across the UK, will kill off shooting sports at the roots. Which is what some men must want.

    To quote Benjamin Franklin:

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    Ver well written post sir. Obliged to you.

    A.G

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