Ignition problem with a Ruger Old Army

[simgre]

Also, while we are talking ROAs, what loads of Triple 7 do you use? Ball or Lee cast bullet? Anyone got a super accurate 25yd recipe they are prepared to share?

Only ever use Hodgdons published data when using 777. Triple seven is not a black powder substitute, it is a nitro powder that can be used in muzzle loading guns. Deviating from Hodgdons published loads can alter the burning characteristics of the load and produce dangerous pressure spikes. The consequences can be catastrophic. The published data gives only two loads for the ROA. They are 30 and 35 grains by volume of 777, with a lubed Ox-yoke wad and a .457 pure lead ball. That is not between 30 and 35, but specifically 30 OR 35 grains by volume.

Your chosen load could be dangerous.

If you want to use a black powder substitute, then get Pyrodex.

[Turnup]

Only ever use Hodgdons published data when using 777. Triple seven is not a black powder substitute, it is a nitro powder that can be used in muzzle loading guns. Deviating from Hodgdons published loads can alter the burning characteristics of the load and produce dangerous pressure spikes. The consequences can be catastrophic. The published data gives only two loads for the ROA. They are 30 and 35 grains by volume of 777, with a lubed Ox-yoke wad and a .457 pure lead ball. That is not between 30 and 35, but specifically 30 OR 35 grains by volume.

Your chosen load could be dangerous.

If you want to use a black powder substitute, then get Pyrodex.

Where did you get this information from?

Hodgons own website https://www.hodgdon.com/tripleseven.html states "Triple Seven® is a revolutionary black powder substitute that cleans up with water alone."

So a) the manufacturer claims it is a BP substitute
and b) Since when can Nitro powder be cleaned with water alone?


Their website also offers 50 grain pellets for use in 44/45 revolver......

[simgre]

Where did you get this information from?

Hodgons own website https://www.hodgdon.com/tripleseven.html states "Triple Seven® is a revolutionary black powder substitute that cleans up with water alone."

So a) the manufacturer claims it is a BP substitute
and b) Since when can Nitro powder be cleaned with water alone?


Their website also offers 50 grain pellets for use in 44/45 revolver......

Around 10 years ago I had an email exchange with one of the chemists who worked for Hodgdon in the development of 777, when I asked questions about inert fillers, varying of loads, duplex and the like. It is not a substitute in the way that Pyrodex is, which can be used exactly like BP. 777 is a "substitute" in very specific conditions and that is when utilised with the exact load data as produced. It was originally designed to give more velocity from in-line, 209 ignition muzzle loaders. It develops 15 to 20% energy for the same volume. The warnings listed around 777 are many.

.45 cal, 50 grain pellets are for use in in-line M/L rifles. The pistol pellets were 30 grain. They .45/30s were dropped sometime ago.

Never cleaned nitro with water? You've never shot milsurp with corrosive primers and cordite sticks. Boiling water was the only way to clean.

Fact is, dick around with 777 loads, deviating away from the published recipes, then disaster may very well come calling. It seems that people have migrated to 777 without understanding what the propellant is really for and have find som based purely on the aspect that cold running water is all that's needed to clean up. It's not suitable in cap and ball revolvers when you're looking to experiment.

[WarrenC]

Remington caps always better for me, cci always let me down

[Turnup]

Remington caps always better for me, cci always let me down

Come to think of it I too find that CCI caps are less reliable in the ROA than others. Wonder why that would be.......

[weebeestie]

I started a new tin of CCI primers just as I changed the nipples on my ROA.
Thats when I started getting missfires.
I thought it must be the primers but it seems a little fettling with the nipples may be in order.
Think I'll put the old nipples back in and try a few out just to confirm.

[enfield2band]

I started a new tin of CCI primers just as I changed the nipples on my ROA.
Thats when I started getting missfires.
I thought it must be the primers but it seems a little fettling with the nipples may be in order.
Think I'll put the old nipples back in and try a few out just to confirm.

That is an interesting comment.

I wonder if the new ones are slightly shorter?

It is not something you would normally think of when you get misfires.

[Turnup]

Around 10 years ago I had an email exchange with one of the chemists who worked for Hodgdon in the development of 777, when I asked questions about inert fillers, varying of loads, duplex and the like. It is not a substitute in the way that Pyrodex is, which can be used exactly like BP. 777 is a "substitute" in very specific conditions and that is when utilised with the exact load data as produced. It was originally designed to give more velocity from in-line, 209 ignition muzzle loaders. It develops 15 to 20% energy for the same volume. The warnings listed around 777 are many.

.45 cal, 50 grain pellets are for use in in-line M/L rifles. The pistol pellets were 30 grain. They .45/30s were dropped sometime ago.

Never cleaned nitro with water? You've never shot milsurp with corrosive primers and cordite sticks. Boiling water was the only way to clean.

Fact is, dick around with 777 loads, deviating away from the published recipes, then disaster may very well come calling. It seems that people have migrated to 777 without understanding what the propellant is really for and have find som based purely on the aspect that cold running water is all that's needed to clean up. It's not suitable in cap and ball revolvers when you're looking to experiment.

Special privileged information from the insider at Hodgons which they do not publish - wonder why?

Duplex loads - you're on your own there - I value my limbs too much

So Hodgons published information is not correct, you know better.

Cite some properly documented disasters with 777 - not "bloke down the pub said...".

Corrosive primers produce water soluble by products, Nitrocellulose does not. I use modern primers and nc powders and have never needed to use water to clean.

Hopgdons provide loading information for cap and ball firearms, and lots of people use it as such, including revolvers, but you claim it is not suitable? You know something that they do not? Wow, you must be a genius!

[simgre]

Special privileged information from the insider at Hodgons which they do not publish - wonder why?

Duplex loads - you're on your own there - I value my limbs too much

So Hodgons published information is not correct, you know better.

Cite some properly documented disasters with 777 - not "bloke down the pub said...".

Corrosive primers produce water soluble by products, Nitrocellulose does not. I use modern primers and nc powders and have never needed to use water to clean.

Hopgdons provide loading information for cap and ball firearms, and lots of people use it as such, including revolvers, but you claim it is not suitable? You know something that they do not? Wow, you must be a genius!

You're being a dick.

The crux of all of my posts has simply been, use only the published data from Hodgdons when using 777, simple as that. There is more than enough information out there which bears out exactly what I have said, which is what I have learned in correspondence when I first ventured into muzzle loading. You can take what you want from the anecdotal offered, but there's never been a "bloke down the pub".

[tim56]

Another one for Remington caps. Only one i use with all my b/p pistols. I tend to buy large (ish) amounts when they are available
then not have to bother for a couple of years. Tim

[WarrenC]

Another one for Remington caps. Only one i use with all my b/p pistols. I tend to buy large (ish) amounts when they are available
then not have to bother for a couple of years. Tim

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