Single stroke pneumatic rifle? (are there any?)

[Clanchief]

Also a Titan Mohawk, similar cocking effort required if you did not have the nack,,,,,,,,,,,,, a bit like a bullworker.,

Recently FX have the Independent out which is interesting, but a foot in both camps.

Some old target rifles also were ssp's

[Benelli B76]

As above, there were a few target rifles which were designed for low power target shooting, and the Genesis, Mohawk and Parker Hale Dragon were intended for the 12 ft.lb market. The problem seems to be the huge amount of effort needed to get enough pressure in the chamber in one pump to attain the power output. In my experience the Genesis was the most powerful. Webley were developing the Paradigm a few years ago, but it seems to have died unless anyone has more info on that. With development of multi stage pumps you would think someone would crack it.

Baz

[steve B]

Tried the Genesis and it was a sod to cock. I had a very nice Titan JB1 with interchangeable barrels which once you got the knack was fairly easy to cock, though the cocking/loading procedure was pretty slow compared to, say, a break barrel. It ran at abolut 10.8 in .22, almost completely silent with a silencer attached and was my favourite sniping rifle. Variable power, too.

Why the hell did I sell it???

[bighit]

As above, there were a few target rifles which were designed for low power target shooting, and the Genesis, Mohawk and Parker Hale Dragon were intended for the 12 ft.lb market. The problem seems to be the huge amount of effort needed to get enough pressure in the chamber in one pump to attain the power output. In my experience the Genesis was the most powerful. Webley were developing the Paradigm a few years ago, but it seems to have died unless anyone has more info on that. With development of multi stage pumps you would think someone would crack it.

Baz

last I heard of the webley was the designer touting to the Chinese gun makers. that was a few years back.

[battyone]

I'm hoping to have a look at a JB1 .22 later this week.
A quirky collectible maybe? It'll fit fine in our house.

Looked at a PH Dragon at Melbourne the other week, simpler than the JB but not as pretty. And imo a little pricey.

[Phil Russell]

Daystate Sportsman MK2 gives about 5 - 6 ftlbs for 1 pump, which is quite easy. Two pumps give you around 11 ftlb but taking multiple shots at this power is very tiring.
Not sure if this is relevant, but if a recoiless rifle, non pcp, is what you are looking for ... try and find a Park RH91 or 93. Not a pneumatic but quite recoiless ... works on the opposing pistons principle .. and a superb rifle.
Cheers, Phil

[Benelli B76]

Daystate Sportsman MK2 gives about 5 - 6 ftlbs for 1 pump, which is quite easy. Two pumps give you around 11 ftlb but taking multiple shots at this power is very tiring.
Not sure if this is relevant, but if a recoiless rifle, non pcp, is what you are looking for ... try and find a Park RH91 or 93. Not a pneumatic but quite recoiless ... works on the opposing pistons principle .. and a superb rifle.
Cheers, Phil

Yes Phil super accurate, through the scope used to watch pellets go through a single hole in the target, but oh what a weight, so it had to go in the end.

Baz

[Blackrider]

last I heard of the webley was the designer touting to the Chinese gun makers. that was a few years back.

Saw the Paradigm at a Shooting Show somewhere and was not overly impressed. It was alkward, unweildly and tricky to cock. It simply didn't look to be a practical design and wouldn't be a commercial success.

[norris]

Saw the Paradigm at a Shooting Show somewhere and was not overly impressed. It was alkward, unweildly and tricky to cock. It simply didn't look to be a practical design and wouldn't be a commercial success.

That's the thing with single stroke Pneumatics you need to develop the knack of cocking them.

Practicality and commercial success are irrelevant in the air gun world for example buying a PCP then having to buy charging equipment which is either heavy to carry round or requires physical effort to use.OK you can buy small lighter air cylinders/bottles but at the expense of capacity.So not that practical but a great commercial success for retailers?

I like PCP's but prefer springers for the self contain power source!

I'm also a fan of single stock pneumatics and own a Dragon.

If Webley or another company manufactured the Paradigm I would buy one!

[Blackrider]

The chap presenting the Paradigm, wouldn't allow members gathered to cock it themselves, only he cocked it at the time.
That alone rang "alarm bells" with me !
If the rifle, albeit a prorotype required lets say, "specialist handling" then I could foresee future problems developing on production guns whenever they began to be purchased and used en mass !

[norris]

The chap presenting the Paradigm, wouldn't allow members gathered to cock it themselves, only he cocked it at the time.
That alone rang "alarm bells" with me !
If the rifle, albeit a prorotype required lets say, "specialist handling" then I could foresee future problems developing on production guns whenever they began to be purchased and used en mass !

Well I've not been lucky enough to see the Paradigm in the flesh, I would like to and talk to its designer.
That too would ring alarm bells but a Dragon isn't straight forward to use.
You have to set the valve in the right sequence, I think mine constantly changes the sequence!