Black powder

[enfield2band]

You still need the approved storage box for Pyrodex and other smokeless powders!

Have a look at thread 17. This has been discussed previously.

http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....uestions/page2

Look at paragraph 27 of the 2014 explosives act. Putting any BP subistitute or smokeless powder in a box is advisory.

Atb

[tacfoley]

Ah, 'adviso/ary'. We have not yet reached the point where 'Alles, was nicht verboten ist, ist obligatorisch' [everything that is not forbidden is compulsory], but it sounds like a good idea anyhow.

tac

[DesG]

Ah, 'adviso/ary'. We have not yet reached the point where 'Alles, was nicht verboten ist, ist obligatorisch' [everything that is not forbidden is compulsory], but it sounds like a good idea anyhow.

tac

My view is that if the rule book/law doesn't say you can't do it then you can. I know too many people who think that if the rule book/law doesn't say you can do it then you can't! I am told that the former is enshrined in the magna carta.

[DedIdick]

Black powder is an explosive for which you need a licence and approved storage. Pyrodex is a substitute for which you don't need a licence or special approved storage. It works just the same and is used by volume the same as b/p. I've used it but to be honest I don't know anyone with a b/p licence who uses it. Tim

That's the thing, with Pyrodex, you don't need a b/p licence to use it!

Any supplier of Pyrodex should still satisfy themselves that you hold a valid SGC or FAC before selling to you. same-same as Primers & percussion caps.

[TALL]

I found 777 to far surpass pyrodex,
but I still like the old BLACK for rifles and swiss for pistols,
it is easy to get a ticket and well worth it,
T

[tacfoley]

I found 777 to far surpass pyrodex,
but I still like the old BLACK for rifles and swiss for pistols,
it is easy to get a ticket and well worth it,
T

That's as it should be. Triple 7 is what inventor Dan Pawluk intended Pyrodex to be, but he got hisself blode up 'afore he could complete his development.

tac

[tacfoley]

Pyrodex has the following properties that need to be taken into account -

There are a number of different grades for different uses -

P [standing for PISTOL] is very fine, the equivalent of 3Fg, and is used for ALL handguns and small calibre BP rifles in good condition up to ca.45calibre.

RS [standing for RIFLE and SHOTGUN] is about the same a 2Fg, and is used for heavier charges in rifles and shotguns.

CTG [standing for CARTRIDGE] is specially formulated for use in BP cartridge firearms of any calibre up to and including .45-70/90/110/120. I HAVE seen it used in .577-450 Enfield, but with great lack of success.

Pyrodex is MORE energetic than an equal WEIGHT of BP, IOW, a 70gr BP of 2Fg load in a .45-70 Govt cartridge can be replaced by a lesser amount of Pyrodex AND a space-filling wadding. It does not mind a small amount of compression. but there must be NO air-space whatsoever between the base of the bullet and the charge. Using a volumetric measure, you'll find at least 5% difference

Pyrodex 'Select' grade may be used to replace 2Fg - it is said to be more consistent in performance.

Triple 7.

Is more flagrant than Pyrodex P or Select - loads should be reduced at least 10% from an equal WEIGHT of BP of the same grade. Triple 7 does NOT like being compressed more than putting the bullet on top of it - Hodgdons' words, not mine

There are a couple more, like Clean-Shot, but I know nothing about them.

BTW, NONE of the subs work well in a flintlock action, especially in the powder pan. This is because Pyrodex has a far higher flash initiation point than any grade of BP by a country mile - sparks from the frizzen just refuse to light this stuff up. Triple 7 is needs even hotter ignition, about 777F, hence the name.

ALL of the subs, regardless of what you may have been told - are HIGHLY corrosive if left in guns. Clean up on the range is good, and then again as soon as you get home.

The benefits in a country where you need a license to buy real BP is that you don't need a license to buy any of the subs, as Tim noted above. Plus you get more shots per pound, too

Last thing - because they are more energetic than BP, they feel a lot different to shoot. More like nitro than Black.

tac