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    Why don't Air Arms make break barrels?

    I know they used to because I had a Pro'elite, so why did they stop making them, Weihrauch sell thousands of them

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    Design, tooling and production costs, and too much competition in the market, would be my guess.

    Could they be sure of getting their money back?

    Risky in today's economic climate.
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    I really think AA are missing a trick. I'm thinking about picking up a 95K next month, I'd love to have the dilemma of choosing an Air Arms product as I did when buying my 97KT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur John Smithsplease View Post
    Design, tooling and production costs, and too much competition in the market, would be my guess.

    Could they be sure of getting their money back?

    Risky in today's economic climate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball50 View Post
    I really think AA are missing a trick. I'm thinking about picking up a 95K next month, I'd love to have the dilemma of choosing an Air Arms product as I did when buying my 97KT.
    Unfortunately not enough people buy British made products and instantly think German stuff is better, you've already proved why because you bought a 97(when you could have chose British and got a TX or PS) and you're already set on buying a 95, if all shooters in the UK instantly bought AA instead of HW, then they would have the lions share of the market and no excuse not to make a break barrel, the other problem is HW have too many to choose from in their range to cater for the masses and if AA did bring out a break barrel it would be torn to pieces by the shooting fraternity as it wouldn't be perfect for them as they would have "expected more" from such a prestigious maker, the problem is AA now have to supply the rest of the world and not all countries have such low power restrictions as the UK, so it's difficult to have a happy medium for all and for them to produce a rifle just for the UK power limit is risky business but if they had HW's share of the market as well then they probably would.

    Slightly off topic, someone else pointed out a few months ago that Custom stocks in Sheffield had hardly sold any stocks for the HW99 although all you 99 owners came on here whinging months before about the lack of nice stocks available and when they do start making one they have hardly any sales, would that be the same case with a break barrel from AA, would we actually buy one if they made one? would you sell your 95 to fund one? I think people know my answer to that question.

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    If you would genuinely buy an AA break barrel then let them know via their customer service site. I did!

    If you don't ask, you don't get. Here's hoping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneseven View Post
    If you would genuinely buy an AA break barrel then let them know via their customer service site. I did!

    If you don't ask, you don't get. Here's hoping.
    Did they reply with any good news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by look no hands View Post
    Unfortunately not enough people buy British made products and instantly think German stuff is better, you've already proved why because you bought a 97(when you could have chose British and got a TX or PS) and you're already set on buying a 95, if all shooters in the UK instantly bought AA instead of HW, then they would have the lions share of the market and no excuse not to make a break barrel, the other problem is HW have too many to choose from in their range to cater for the masses and if AA did bring out a break barrel it would be torn to pieces by the shooting fraternity as it wouldn't be perfect for them as they would have "expected more" from such a prestigious maker, the problem is AA now have to supply the rest of the world and not all countries have such low power restrictions as the UK, so it's difficult to have a happy medium for all and for them to produce a rifle just for the UK power limit is risky business but if they had HW's share of the market as well then they probably would.

    Slightly off topic, someone else pointed out a few months ago that Custom stocks in Sheffield had hardly sold any stocks for the HW99 although all you 99 owners came on here whinging months before about the lack of nice stocks available and when they do start making one they have hardly any sales, would that be the same case with a break barrel from AA, would we actually buy one if they made one? would you sell your 95 to fund one? I think people know my answer to that question.

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    Cause their first effort bombed out after a while the old stock got dusty so they stopped selling the lumps, there is one for sale at the mo, its stuck on the classified merry go round at too much moola for nostalgia pounds plus postage

    I don't think that AA are up to it as their current Prosport limited batches have reports of issues,,,just saying
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    Quote Originally Posted by look no hands View Post
    Unfortunately not enough people buy British made products and instantly think German stuff is better, you've already proved why because you bought a 97(when you could have chose British and got a TX or PS) and you're already set on buying a 95, if all shooters in the UK instantly bought AA instead of HW, then they would have the lions share of the market and no excuse not to make a break barrel, the other problem is HW have too many to choose from in their range to cater for the masses and if AA did bring out a break barrel it would be torn to pieces by the shooting fraternity as it wouldn't be perfect for them as they would have "expected more" from such a prestigious maker, the problem is AA now have to supply the rest of the world and not all countries have such low power restrictions as the UK, so it's difficult to have a happy medium for all and for them to produce a rifle just for the UK power limit is risky business but if they had HW's share of the market as well then they probably would.

    Slightly off topic, someone else pointed out a few months ago that Custom stocks in Sheffield had hardly sold any stocks for the HW99 although all you 99 owners came on here whinging months before about the lack of nice stocks available and when they do start making one they have hardly any sales, would that be the same case with a break barrel from AA, would we actually buy one if they made one? would you sell your 95 to fund one? I think people know my answer to that question.

    Pete
    I was interested, but Custom Stocks stick with the same few basic designs. I like the CS500, but it isn't suitable for a slim springer like the 99s. It's just too big and chunky.

    I understand why they do this. Bringing out something entirely new is expensive, and who knows how well it will sell? Relatively few springer owners are prepared to pay 250 quid for a stock to go on a gun that doesn't cost much more - less in the case of the 99s.

    If they had produced something different for the 99s I personally would have been tempted. But how many other punters would?
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    Flooded market for break barrelled springers.
    Any premium rifle would have to show premium accuracy and shooting ability which wouldn't be easy to achieve in a break barrel.
    Bent barrels from use are a common issue with break barrelled rifles; which in plus 12 ft/lbs guns is even more of an issue especially if "left to fly".
    Break barrel rifles tend to be more sporty and lighter weight. Far less forgiving and difficult to shoot well than a heavy weight underlever. Gasram a slightly more forgiving power plant to use, but then someone else does those well already.

    Add it all up a premium break barrel springer would be a heap of trouble.

    AA already make two fantastic spring guns which do shoot straight and look fantastic. A type worth the premium as they ooze quality and will last so a pleasure to own.
    Better to invest in the new technology which is PCP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball50 View Post
    I really think AA are missing a trick. I'm thinking about picking up a 95K next month, I'd love to have the dilemma of choosing an Air Arms product as I did when buying my 97KT.
    Agreed on that......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur John Smithsplease View Post
    Design, tooling and production costs, and too much competition in the market, would be my guess.

    Could they be sure of getting their money back?

    Risky in today's economic climate.
    I'm sure you're right, Arthur.

    However, with the reputation and stature that Air Arms now enjoy world-wide, I'd be pretty confident that there would be a market for a premium break barrel from this stable, employing much of today's accumulated knowledge and technology.

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    Do they really need to with having the prosport! It's a masterpiece of a springer
    Followed close by the tx200s.

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    ....... because underlevers are much better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAD DAZ View Post
    I know they used to because I had a Pro'elite, so why did they stop making them, Weihrauch sell thousands of them
    The short answer is that their first offering was a failure. They are a very profit-orientated company and bearing in mind they don't even make a left handed Pro Sport because of limited demand says it all. They have concentrated their resources in making high value rifles and that I suspect is where they will stay.
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