Why are .177 always less shot count than larger calibre?

[Missed_dinner]

I am usually quite a logical person but I can't work out why a .177 calibre rifle has a lower shot count than .22 or .25? It's got a smaller barrel and its firing a lighter pellet. So why would it use more air?

Does that thread title even make sense?

[p.j.]

.177 is less air efficient. More air is needed to get the pellet to full power in .177 than .22. Someone will explain in more technical terms, but would imagine the larger diameter pellet has more air acting on its skirt, at any given time.

[Artfull-Bodger]

It's a case of surface area, the larger the surface area the greater the force applied for a given pressure.

Pneumatics are inversely proportional, when compressing you get more pressure for a given force by reducing the area, and when using a force to move something you get more force for a given pressure by increasing the area.

So the smaller area means you have to push for longer to transfer the same amount of force, in other word you need to use a longer pulse of high pressure air to get the small diameter pellet up to the required speed.

Hmm no matter how many times I write this it never comes out as simple as it really is?

[Rich]

Try blowing down a straw, then blowing down a piece of hosepipe the same length. Which is easier?

[UrbanFox]

It's a case of surface area, the larger the surface area the greater the force applied for a given pressure.

Pneumatics are inversely proportional, when compressing you get more pressure for a given force by reducing the area, and when using a force to move something you get more force for a given pressure by increasing the area.

So the smaller area means you have to push for longer to transfer the same amount of force, in other word you need to use a longer pulse of high pressure air to get the small diameter pellet up to the required speed.

Hmm no matter how many times I write this it never comes out as simple as it really is?

This video by Rob Lane, although its explaining how a regulator works, will back up Artfull Bodger re surface area. I.e, the greater the area the less pressure required.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8CN2PCGGQM

[bucketboy]

Like what the bodger says, just to highlight how ineffiecent .177 is, I replaced the 16" .177 barrel from one of my Rapids that was set at 11.7fte and swapped it for a 19" .25 ( everything except the probe remained the same) I was obviously expecting a power hike due to cal and length of barrel but was shocked when I checked it on the chrono, it was in excess of 21fte, nearly twice the power for the same air consumption. Another test without changing anything other than the barrel, I replaced the 16" .177 for a .177 barrel only 95mm long, it produced 7.5fte but was really loud.

Despite its ineffiecency, I still love the .177.

[Artfull-Bodger]

Very similar to my experiences, I have a Webley Vulcan with a gas ram that I turned up a set of barrels for , .177, .22 and .25, I have to set the rifle to just under 10ftlbs in .177 otherwise the .25 is illegal!

[Phil Russell]

As a rather daft analogy, imagine holding a ping pong ball and a squash ball. Then throw both of them as hard as you can. The heavier squash ball will travel much further.
Cheers, Phil