BSA STUTZEN Mark 1

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Next Rifle up for Sale will be my Tap Loading .177 Stutzen would like a rough guide price..I do have some Idea what I would like for it ''


Regard's

Inproved..Steve..

[robbo1974]

hi i got one from bar the other week for £280 not in to bad condition the bluing is a bit poor. i have seen mint one's going for around £350

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BSA ..Stutzen

Almost Mint I saw a .22 that was Sold at an Arms Fair 3 years Ago for £425.00. It was in about the Same condition as my .177


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[Jimny4x4]

Not much help re calibre but there was a rare .25 that went for near £600 a couple of weeks ago ,some have said less than 100 units released .of these .25's .. from the free ads place - no sights either ( although I have read and learned elsewhere that these Stutzens were sold with and also without sights.
It would be interesting to find out how many Stutzens were actually made in each calibre ( and also a breakdown of Tap and Rb2 types ) .

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I do know that these Mark 1 Stutzen Rifles had a very short Production Run and were only produced for less than I year .
Also there were more .22 Rifles then any other calibre .177 Rifles are rarer. I thought that the .25 Stutzen were all RB2 type ?

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[Jimny4x4]

I do know that these Mark 1 Stutzen Rifles had a very short Production Run and were only produced for less than I year .
Also there were more .22 Rifles then any other calibre .177 Rifles are rarer. I thought that the .25 Stutzen were all RB2 type ?

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Think the Stutzen in tap was around for longer ? Mid 80's then was dropped for the RB2 .

[Antelope]

Not much help re calibre but there was a rare .25 that went for near £600 a couple of weeks ago ,some have said less than 100 units released .of these .25's .. from the free ads place - no sights either ( although I have read and learned elsewhere that these Stutzens were sold with and also without sights.
It would be interesting to find out how many Stutzens were actually made in each calibre ( and also a breakdown of Tap and Rb2 types ) .

Apologies new to this forum, so still trying to get my head around how the posts work. I was lucky enough to get the .25 Stutzen that was for sale a couple of weeks ago and a recent purchase of a .177 RB2 Stutzen completes the collection of a version of this Rifle in all three Calibres, .177, .22 and .25 all RB2. Ever since I was a boy I had dreamt of owning one and remember seeing the adverts in the shooting magazines of the time, in my humble opinion they are Gorgeous looking Guns. My .22 is in excellent condition, the .25 slightly less and the .177 about 5/10, but all are subject to some TLC now. Have been interested to learn of some of the mystique surrounding these Guns, to the extent that I'm not really sure who knows what about them. Was hoping that someone on here could provide some definitive answers as there seems to be confusion over Serial numbers, Iron/Open sights as standard and production figures. The John Knibbs site "whats my BSA" hasnt been particularly helpful when it comes to identifying Stutzens and when I contacted them to make some enquiries was told "thats what BSA gave us". So its easy to throw stones and be critical and that dosnt help me tie things down. As far as I can see there were 5 versions of the BSA Stutzen Rifle (Not inc Centenary):

Tap Loader
.177 (1985-86) S/N Prefix ET
.22 (1985-86) S/N Prefix GR

RB2
.177 (1992-00) S/N Prefix WT (my .177 has the prefix WR instead of WT, which may indicate some RB2 Mechanisms were used on later stocks).
.22 (1992-00) S/N Prefix ZT
.25 (1992-01) S/N Prefix AWR (This is incorrect and should read AWT this has been confirmed by a number of .25 owners).

These dates arnt solid but as close as I can get them. I would like to know if there is any truth in the rumour that there were less than 100 of the .25 made and that they were to special order, if so what is the S/N run? Were all the Stutzens available with or without open/iron sights (my .25 never had either front or rear but does now - arnt the rear sights impossible to source? Were the rear sights that fit on the front of the Maxirail made by BSA or contracted out (I emailed Williams in the US and they denied they were their product and said they were an LPA item which is no longer produced)? Also contacted BSA but am still waiting for a reply. Grateful for any any help or assistance in identifying these beautiful Rifles.

[Jimny4x4]

Apologies new to this forum, so still trying to get my head around how the posts work. I was lucky enough to get the .25 Stutzen that was for sale a couple of weeks ago and a recent purchase of a .177 RB2 Stutzen completes the collection of a version of this Rifle in all three Calibres, .177, .22 and .25 all RB2. Ever since I was a boy I had dreamt of owning one and remember seeing the adverts in the shooting magazines of the time, in my humble opinion they are Gorgeous looking Guns. My .22 is in excellent condition, the .25 slightly less and the .177 about 5/10, but all are subject to some TLC now. Have been interested to learn of some of the mystique surrounding these Guns, to the extent that I'm not really sure who knows what about them. Was hoping that someone on here could provide some definitive answers as there seems to be confusion over Serial numbers, Iron/Open sights as standard and production figures. The John Knibbs site "whats my BSA" hasnt been particularly helpful when it comes to identifying Stutzens and when I contacted them to make some enquiries was told "thats what BSA gave us". So its easy to throw stones and be critical and that dosnt help me tie things down. As far as I can see there were 5 versions of the BSA Stutzen Rifle (Not inc Centenary):

Tap Loader
.177 (1985-86) S/N Prefix ET
.22 (1985-86) S/N Prefix GR

RB2
.177 (1992-00) S/N Prefix WT (my .177 has the prefix WR instead of WT, which may indicate some RB2 Mechanisms were used on later stocks).
.22 (1992-00) S/N Prefix ZT
.25 (1992-01) S/N Prefix AWR (This is incorrect and should read AWT this has been confirmed by a number of .25 owners).

These dates arnt solid but as close as I can get them. I would like to know if there is any truth in the rumour that there were less than 100 of the .25 made and that they were to special order, if so what is the S/N run? Were all the Stutzens available with or without open/iron sights (my .25 never had either front or rear but does now - arnt the rear sights impossible to source? Were the rear sights that fit on the front of the Maxirail made by BSA or contracted out (I emailed Williams in the US and they denied they were their product and said they were an LPA item which is no longer produced)? Also contacted BSA but am still waiting for a reply. Grateful for any any help or assistance in identifying these beautiful Rifles.

Nice to see somebody take an interest in these . Love the look . Love the period . A lot of misinformation out there ...very strange but with airgun manufacture detail gets lost so quickly .

[Gareth W-B]

Collection Reduction

Next Rifle up for Sale will be my Tap Loading .177 Stutzen would like a rough guide price..I do have some Idea what I would like for it ''


Regard's

Inproved..Steve..

Hi. These aren't actually all that good I'm sorry to say, but tell you what, as it is be nice to fellow collectors week, if it is in vgc, if you advertise it for sale around the £75 mark, I believe my altruism could stretch to that, to help, but only if that price includes post. Yep, I'm all heart, me.

Lol. Hard to value without photos, but if the right side of good, being .177, reckon this rifle has got to be worth upwards of £375 (the .22 example you site achieving £425 was probably a collecting auction room anomaly caused by two bidders with more cash than sense, who both had the fatal 'must win' bitt between their teeth).

Hope this helps (but it probably doesn't ). Atb: G.

[Jimny4x4]

Hi. These aren't actually all that good I'm sorry to say, but tell you what, as it is be nice to fellow collectors week, if it is in vgc, if you advertise it for sale around the £75 mark, I believe my altruism could stretch to that, to help, but only if that price includes post. Yep, I'm all heart, me.

Lol. Hard to value without photos, but if the right side of good, being .177, reckon this rifle has got to be worth upwards of £375 (the .22 example you site achieving £425 was probably a collecting auction room anomaly caused by two bidders with more cash than sense, who both had the fatal 'must win' bitt between their teeth).

Hope this helps (but it probably doesn't ). Atb: G.

Inproved claimed from an " Arms Fair" , and thats usually the preserve of dealers , but I have had a hankerin for one and would prefer private but too few .
I have noticed prices go high , as just here on this thread
- £280 from BAR is cheap for any Stutzen .
- £350 -£400+ plus for a nice clean conditon .22 - that sounds right in the current climate .
then for the big boys .25 Rb2 , the rare one and very very few released I hear
- £600 in average good working condition one sold outright on that there Free adverts place .
- £900 - £1100 +/- for Boxed/ mint and if sighted up front and back .

Yep I know but thats the prices I hear being discussed - as after all I am after one ( hint - anyone .
The .25 Rb2 Stutzen is after all very very rare .

I want one !!!!!!

Sorry Inproved , discussion diverted back to your lovely .177 ....TOP Bump from me .

[Troubledshooter]

Interesting thread this, as I have a .22 tap load Stutzen and a .25 RB2 Stutzen to dispose of, and was going to post a valuation requested thread for them, but this thread has given me an insight into current going rates for both.
I hadn't realised the .25 RB2 commanded such a premium, although I did know it is fairly scarce. Mine is sans sights but unboxed.

[gingernut]

A bit of over excitement on this thread I think.

I don't mind as I have a nice .22 Stutzen Carbine.

[ken69]

A bit of over excitement on this thread I think.

I don't mind as I have a nice .22 Stutzen Carbine.

Couldn't agree more. Massive difference between what someone thinks a gun is worth to what they are prepared to pay

[look no hands]

A bit of over excitement on this thread I think.

I don't mind as I have a nice .22 Stutzen Carbine.

Totally agree, we all understand that prices creep up over the years but just because one person says they are worth blah blah amount and for us all to believe it is daft, it's like what gets said on here a lot of times, people will only pay what they think it's worth, I have a mega rare Airsporter S carbine which I've spent a fortune on getting up to scratch, if I asked for the money I wanted for it (to get my money back that I've spent on it) I'd probably not even get any request for photo's but talking to another BSA fan the other day I was told by him that he sold the same rifle as mine in .177, immaculate boxed never fired a shot condition for £750 to a collector, doesn't mean I'm going to get anywhere near that figure for mine.

Pete