If you wanted to buy just one CO2 blowback gun, what would it be?

[peteswright]

Cant compare because I've only owned the Witness for going on 5yrs and wouldn't be without. Did give up on it after a few issues early on but then read and watched videos for fixes. I now know a lot about it and have kept it going, and use the Witness daily. Have bought two of the Swiss Arms as replacements should the T. Witness get beyond repair or as donor guns for spare parts. GET ONE! Don't like the trades on side of Remington but S/A look fine. PM me for fixes IF necessary. ATB. Pete. PS. please only load 10 bb's at a time!!! you're asking for double feed issues with more.

[ejackyou]

Sig Sauer 226 Pellet Blowback, but the new P320 looks even better!

[JCB357]

Another vote for the 1911

[blooregard]

Sig Sauer 226 Pellet Blowback, but the new P320 looks even better!

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a clickety clackety underpowered poorly made travesty of a gun with a stupid magazine. For me, Sig really tarnished their name with these.

When you shoot a co, I found to my cost that you should never store it part used. I've got a Remington 1911 and the seal went. Can't buy spares and the manufacture wanted over $50 just to send a seal and valve. Got a replacement complete mag for a lot less.
Personally, it's a waste of money.

Keep your seals moist and ALWAYS leave gas in them, you will rarely get a failure. The amount of damage done removing a CO2 bulb with gas left in it is far greater than leaving it gassed.

Colt 1911 Witness or Swiss Arms version

Beretta 92 or Taurus variant

Sig x5 p226

Luger KWC build

Other?

These are all KSC guns, I have all of them and I enjoy shooting all of them. They are all great for different reasons.

The 1911 is a 1911 so is great. There are 2 models, a more traditional one and a more tactical one, both are great but the tactical styled one allows you to mount lasers\red dots etc and is more tacticool.

The PT92 feels hefty and well made and sounds great.

The SIG is my least favourite, but it's not bad.

The Luger is a bit special because of how well they captured the feel of the original.

Also consider the Mini Uzi or the M712, again both a lot of fun. I have probably too many guns like this so they don't all get used a lot, but I think they are great fun for not a lot of money.

Mcavoys currently have the PT92, 1911 and mayve more forabout £60, absolute bargain.

[harvey_s]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a clickety clackety underpowered poorly made travesty of a gun with a stupid magazine...

Really? The new Sig 320 ASP seems to been getting some good reviews...or is this an older version as I thought it wasn't out yet?

[blooregard]

Really? The new Sig 320 ASP seems to been getting some good reviews...or is this an older version as I thought it wasn't out yet?

The old ones got some great reviews from some well known people in the community, I've not met anyone in the flesh who thinks they are any good. Maybe I was expecting a lot more with it being made by Sig but I've not been able to find anything on them that resembled the quality you would expect, they are certainly no better made than any of hte KWC guns.

To be fair I canot comment on the new ones as I haven't handled one. If you are after a blowback pistol my thoughts are that a BB fed into the pipe and fired from the chamber is a lot better than a pellet in very thin revolving magazine firing from a different chamber every time and then having to jump to the barrel via a forcing cone.

[Arthur John Smithsplease]

Thanks for the info and recommendations.

[short-carabine]

The old ones got some great reviews from some well known people in the community, I've not met anyone in the flesh who thinks they are any good. Maybe I was expecting a lot more with it being made by Sig but I've not been able to find anything on them that resembled the quality you would expect, they are certainly no better made than any of hte KWC guns.

To be fair I canot comment on the new ones as I haven't handled one. If you are after a blowback pistol my thoughts are that a BB fed into the pipe and fired from the chamber is a lot better than a pellet in very thin revolving magazine firing from a different chamber every time and then having to jump to the barrel via a forcing cone.

The. ASG Cz 75 P-09 is very good, especially with a red dot fitted. Ignore the tosh about front sights flying off. More accurate than a bb shooter too. I await the inevitable whinge about the ejection port and lack of lock back from someone

[short-carabine]

Really? The new Sig 320 ASP seems to been getting some good reviews...or is this an older version as I thought it wasn't out yet?

Nobody has tried a 320 yet in the UK and yet the "experts" have already concluded it is no good. Marvellous

[blooregard]

Nobody has tried a 320 yet in the UK and yet the "experts" have already concluded it is no good. Marvellous

Who's concluded that dude ?? I've not seen a review of it yet but it would fit in with my preconceptions based on the last bunch they made. It's a shame that being made by Sig they do not charge more for them and make them a lot better.

The. ASG Cz 75 P-09 is very good, especially with a red dot fitted. Ignore the tosh about front sights flying off. More accurate than a bb shooter too. I await the inevitable whinge about the ejection port and lack of lock back from someone

Yep, they are pretty good. Locking out of battery and an open ejection port would add a great deal to them though, they are replicas after all. Different horses for different courses I suppose

And that reminds me, another great blowback gun, possibly my favourite is the KWC CZ75 also sold as an ASG.

The cast parts are of exceptional quality and the barrel bushing is machined from bright aluminium with a polished ejection port. It has the correct makers marks (albeit etched rather than stamped and and the obligatory airgun markings) on the slide and they are moulded into the grips. The action is authentic with a half cock, locked breach and correct field strip.

The magazine is nice as the grub screw is hidden underneath the authentically removable follower plate, however I think the supplied magazine is anochranistic to the original model as it is the extended version (maybe a trade off for the CO2).

It is an almost perfect replica of a pre model B CZ75 (Also, mine came with some excellent plastic 4.5mm bbs that do not ricochet all over the place)

[Hellequin]

Tanfoglio Witness for me. Had one previously and regret selling it. I had a Sig P226 too, which was good fun and pretty realistic especially weight & mag wise but it didn't cycle quite as reliably as the TFW. Both brilliant fun though

[harvey_s]

The old ones got some great reviews from some well known people in the community, I've not met anyone in the flesh who thinks they are any good. Maybe I was expecting a lot more with it being made by Sig but I've not been able to find anything on them that resembled the quality you would expect, they are certainly no better made than any of hte KWC guns.

To be fair I canot comment on the new ones as I haven't handled one. If you are after a blowback pistol my thoughts are that a BB fed into the pipe and fired from the chamber is a lot better than a pellet in very thin revolving magazine firing from a different chamber every time and then having to jump to the barrel via a forcing cone.

The new one (ASP version) has a belt mag and has only just been announced https://www.sigsauer.com/press-relea...et-air-pistol/ I take it the earlier versions are the usual linear BB offerings?
The trigger of the new model seems to be singled out for praise - the traditional failing of the the cheaper revolver-dressed-as-a-semi-auto offering.
The fact its a proper pellet gun will make it much more interesting than the BB versions to many.

[short-carabine]

Who's concluded that dude ?? I've not seen a review of it yet but it would fit in with my preconceptions based on the last bunch they made. It's a shame that being made by Sig they do not charge more for them and make them a lot better.

Well ok, to be pedantic, but a few people seem to be basing their views on "preconceptions" based on SiGs first foray into airguns. Ever heard of R&D, design improvement etc. Had I listened to all the tosh about the P-09 being bandied about I would have missed out on a very good pistol. Suffice to say I wait until something is actually available in the UK and yours truly can try it out in person before making a judgement.



Yep, they are pretty good. Locking out of battery and an open ejection port would add a great deal to them though, they are replicas after all. Different horses for different courses I suppose

You find me a CO2 pellet gun that locks out of battery and I'll send you a crisp fiverNo-one makes one, can't (it would appear) be done. As such I discount it from my expectations. The Umarex Beretta Storm has a cut out ejection port but is an inferior shooter to the ASG P-09. I'd rather have the better accuracy and function of the ASG

horses for courses, as you say...

[ejackyou]

[QUOTE=blooregard;7192192]NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a clickety clackety underpowered poorly made travesty of a gun with a stupid magazine. For me, Sig really tarnished their name with these.


Totally Disagree, very nicely made gun solid, hefty, balanced, nice trigger, good blowback action, consistent shooter, aim off a little , but what fixed sites aren't, good looking gun!
Dual magazine functions great and loading C02 cartridge a breeze!
You probably haven't even owned one! Why would you?

[David22]

Swiss Arms P1911, same gun as TF Witness, Remington 1911 RAC & TAC et al

Personally I like the older "cleaner" style rather the the newer "tactical" versions, I can't see the point of putting a red dot or a scope on something that's not THAT accurate.
Brilliant fun - fire as fast as you can pull the trigger or take your time - just get one !

My tips - get extra mags, don't overfill. I fire with 8 rounds, that way the mag spring doesn't get stressed and the C02 recovers when fast shooting.
Watch the targets and rebounds which can be deadly !! (get glasses maybe ?)