Daystate Huntsman Regal vs Weihrauch HW100

[secretagentmole]

Pellet dropping into the hammer system???? Hows that then? Worst that'll happen is pellets moving back in the mag, the one in the breach is supported by the probe.. any problems with this just means you need to change the mag oring which is a £2.50 10min job

Happened on my X2, I was able to shake the pellet out. Happened on my Mk3 as well, in fact when I had that serviced there were three pellets in the mechanism, one I knew about, two that were there prior to my ownership (it was secondhand).

Oh should i be doing this with 4 brand new mags , i don't think so , it's a known fact if, you try and load another pellet when shooting up in the air the pellet can fall in to the hammer system , that came from the horse's mouth apparently

Happened to my 2 Daystates.

Horse is telling porkies then. If you locate the pellet in the "O" ring it can't go backwards. To the OP. Try them both and buy what suits.

Horse is right, the pellet can fall backwards, the magazines are not perfect and the O ring does not keep the pellet in situ, even if you located the pellet properly.

In my opinion, and I own both, the 100 is easily superior.
There is some false information given on this thread but I'm not going to start another argument.
It's important, if you're choosing between a KS/KT100 and a Regal, that you realise the real world difference between 70 (ish) regulated shots and 80 (ish) unregulated shots. As Jesim says, you can see a rise and fall at 30 yards, it's magnified at 35 yards, massive at 40 yards. At 45 yards you'll still have 70 (ish) bang on shots from the 100. With the Regal you'll be down to about 40 before you have to aim off.
Buy what you feel happiest with mate, but never kid yourself about the difference between the two.
As an aside, the problem that Villaman mentions about pellets falling back into the action is a common problem with all Daystates and is recognised even on the Daystate Owners Club forum. The official advice from the factory when this happens is to hold the gun upside down with the bolt pulled back and shake violently. Not confidence inspiring but there you go.

Chris

I know, when it happened on my Mk 3 I posted about it, was told what the problem was, decided to get my gun serviced by a Daystate Accredited Service Agent who retrieved 3 pellets out of it.

Ahhh ok., Mine doesn't expose any gap in the mag well that's why I couldn't see it happening. Which if it does is a bit shite really.

It happens, can also happen on Theoben Rapids, the pellet falling backwards out of the magazine, did on my Mk 1.

[secretagentmole]

Having had both Daystates and HW100s, I would get the HW every time. It works.

When a Daystate works properly it is a thing of wonder, quiet, precise, great balance etc etc. Problem is they do not always work right and when they do they can muck themselves up if you reload with the gun pointing to the sky (something that happens a bit if roost shooting).

An HW100 tends to work. You pick it up, position the barrel sky wards and reload and the pellet does not jam the cocking mechanism up, the HW is not that much louder on firing than the DS, it is cheaper too.

Your money but would you buy a car from a manufacturer with a bad quality reputation, that charged you more and then when the car did not work and you took it to an appointed service agent tell you that you had invalidated the warranty(http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....ystate+quality).

[Steyr]

First question is which fits best.
Next what is the use
Next what rifle has more pro's for you and whatbyou want it to do.

I have a 100 sporter modified and its a keeper.

Its a hunting rifle and a comp gun when I can be arsed but the mag and cocking and hassle free top receiver avoids scope saddle and mag clash.

Both excellent rifles and lots of knowledge out there.

[whipsaw]

Thank you all for your posts. There seems to be a question mark over Daystate's reputation at the moment which is a damn shame. Spending nearly a grand on a gun and then having to sort out issues with it is totally unacceptable. I was also unaware that the Huntsman was un-regulated. I'm now much more likely to go for the Weihrauch, but this does mean I have only myself to blame if I can't hit anything!

[secretagentmole]

Thank you all for your posts. There seems to be a question mark over Daystate's reputation at the moment which is a damn shame. Spending nearly a grand on a gun and then having to sort out issues with it is totally unacceptable. I was also unaware that the Huntsman was un-regulated. I'm now much more likely to go for the Weihrauch, but this does mean I have only myself to blame if I can't hit anything!

No, HW100s can and do go wrong, but you are less likely to get problems with it and HC, though begrudging, will fix problems, look at the trouble I had with the stock on mine, looked like it was finished by Wolverine. I complained and HC eventually replaced it, but it should not have left the factory in the first place!

[madcarlos]

Don't forget, Nearly all hw100 will suffer with leaks and power variances, Low power seems to be the most common problem with daystate Guns but they are easy to adjust for the power, If servicing or possibly repairing you own gun is not an option then I would possibly look at a AA S510 ,

[secretagentmole]

Don't forget, Nearly all hw100 will suffer with leaks and power variances, Low power seems to be the most common problem with daystate Guns but they are easy to adjust for the power, If servicing or possibly repairing you own gun is not an option then I would possibly look at a AA S510 ,

My HW 100s never leaked and never suffered from power fluctuations, my first was a secondhand mk 1 non quickfill.

[Seamaster]

Don't forget, Nearly all hw100 will suffer with leaks and power variances,

Sorry mate, but this statement is absolute twaddle.
A few will but the vast majority will be fine.
It's statements like this that make forums such founts of BS.

Chris

[lensman57]

Thank you all for your posts. There seems to be a question mark over Daystate's reputation at the moment which is a damn shame. Spending nearly a grand on a gun and then having to sort out issues with it is totally unacceptable. I was also unaware that the Huntsman was un-regulated. I'm now much more likely to go for the Weihrauch, but this does mean I have only myself to blame if I can't hit anything!

Huntsman is unregulated by has this sling shot mechanism or something. It does make the gun pretty efficient through out the sweet range but it still has a power curve. HW is regulated and the rugulator is a damned good one. Whenever I have read about issues with it it has been traced to a hamfisted EX owner who didn't set it up properly after messing with it.
There was a thread about one last month. The gun was inconsistent and had power issues and it got sorted once the regulator and the hammer were set up back to spec. HWs are also very easy to work on without the need to take the AT out as they have designed the AT to only restrict access to the hammer spring so the entire rifle can be dismanteled and serviced without the need to touch the AT that this includes the regulator. Try servicing a Daystate if you are brave.

A.G