Can anyone identify these ?

[Rabid]

Excellent, gives me something to look into.

Any idea values ?

[loiner1965]

not very clear pics esp when blown up.....lock and hammer looks to be kyber pass copies...
remove lock by taking out the two side nails and lock should come out . might have to cock hammer.
is they are makers initials or names there....if english they should be but none if foreign made.
when lock is out check lock mortice to see if its rough cut out or new looking.
british guns were very well made whereas kyber pass versions were just hacked out so to speak.
the barrel is definately not british maybe belgian and made to fit.

[Rabid]

Thanks fellas, well I went and saw him today and done a few deals, much appreciate the advice given here as it was my starting point for researching them.

[loiner1965]

Was the Enfield type musket with a foreign barrel a kyber copy ?

[Rabid]

Was the Enfield type musket with a foreign barrel a kyber copy ?

Honestly, I didn't check, we got round to them, he spat a price out for the pair, and it was a price that it didn't actually bother me what they were, I had seen them and they are perfect wall hangers, so I paid up and was happy.

I will take some time over them this weekend, as I would like to know for myself, so I can at least value them for insurance if nowt else.

I would have liked to add some pictures on here of some of the bits I got, if time allows and anyone is interested I will.

[loiner1965]

Honestly, I didn't check, we got round to them, he spat a price out for the pair, and it was a price that it didn't actually bother me what they were, I had seen them and they are perfect wall hangers, so I paid up and was happy.

I will take some time over them this weekend, as I would like to know for myself, so I can at least value them for insurance if nowt else.

I would have liked to add some pictures on here of some of the bits I got, if time allows and anyone is interested I will.

Yes take lock off and see if any makers marks etc
I presume barrel will have liege ( elg ) stamps on

[Rabid]

Yes take lock off and see if any makers marks etc
I presume barrel will have liege ( elg ) stamps on

Ok, so curiosity got the better of me, I took the lock off from both of them, I can't see any makers names, stamps or engraving, but it's pretty thick crud (thick heavy type of grease) over the metal parts so pretty difficult to see anything without some type of clean up, though nothing obvious.
The woodwork looks to have been done reasonably well (for what I presume is an old gun) and doesn't looked hacked out by any means, it has been carved around all the moving parts inside if that makes sense.

Both guns seem to be the same inside, so I will presume they are the kyber copy you mention.

Not looked for any marks on the barrel as yet.