Airguns seized at shows

[Papa g]

In the last few months there has been a team going around shows and militaria fairs seizing air guns from sellers with no rfd i know of collector’s disposing of some of there collection locally to me and have been seized and handed to west mercia Police .No charge and no chance of getting guns back is what they have been told

Just to let you know, your heads up is most appreciated this end,I see it as a genuine call for concern on your behalf. Fair play to you!
Regards Graham

[bangers]

Sadly I was at the Malvern fair when the nca jumped on the chap in question it was very embarrassing for the bloke and the officers were to say the least rude, not only to the chap but to all who were at the stand. The bloke has/had been going to Malvern for years and NEVER caused any bother or ripped anyone off but as I later read in a well known rag he was selling without a rfd license but it is on going with now I believe basc and sportsman association. They took all of his rifles and pistols and said he could appeal but was not to hold his breath as it would take at least 6 months before they would look at it.

[Troubledshooter]

Sadly I was at the Malvern fair when the nca jumped on the chap in question it was very embarrassing for the bloke and the officers were to say the least rude, not only to the chap but to all who were at the stand. The bloke has/had been going to Malvern for years and NEVER caused any bother or ripped anyone off but as I later read in a well known rag he was selling without a rfd license but it is on going with now I believe basc and sportsman association. They took all of his rifles and pistols and said he could appeal but was not to hold his breath as it would take at least 6 months before they would look at it.

I think the highlighted parts explain everything; he was a trader selling without an RFD licence.
If these facts had been included in the initial post, it would have made the situation clear from the start.

[chieffool]

Perhaps, just as logically, the fact that someone has acquired and stocked a STALL is arguably 'proof' of trading? Within such an instance, even the existence of a single airgun amongst the other items on display for sale would then be a contravention. I would suggest that if the enforcement within any particular area of the country were pursued, no definition of frequency (eg 12 a year) would be necessary.

[gingernut]

Still it's fine to sell bayonets and swords.
Which have no purpose other than to dispose of other human beings.

[mel h]

It can be argued that it's a stupid regulation but the law says that anyone selling modern airguns 'by way of trade' needs to be a RFD. I see a couple of guys quite often at antique / fleamarket locations who are clearly ignoring the law and claim to be collectors disposing of surplus items. If people keep doing this it will not go un-noticed and will not do any good for any of us. If they lose their stock, they have only themselves to blame.

[GSMN1]

Just to let you know, your heads up is most appreciated this end,I see it as a genuine call for concern on your behalf. Fair play to you!
Regards Graham

Here here. Forewarned is forearmed and the debate has been thorough enough to make us all a bit wiser and warier. Well done splosh.

[gingernut]

I have a table at Kempton which I'm sharing with young Baz.

We are both collectors ,enthusiasts and retired.

Binners has kept the Local Constabulary well informed and taken advice from them.
I'm sure there will be no problems of the nature mentioned in this thread.

Looking forward to what should be a great day out!

[guy]

In the last few months there has been a team going around shows and militaria fairs seizing air guns from sellers with no rfd i know of collector’s disposing of some of there collection locally to me and have been seized and handed to west mercia Police .No charge and no chance of getting guns back is what they have been told

hmmm.... would it be that bell end Adam or sharpie? either are well known at the arms fairs for dealing........ even though they profess their innocence of being a dealer? think the catch phrase" yea but I have got to make a profit on it" kinda gives it away a bit........

[Bob Brown]

In the last six months or so,hundreds of facebook air rifle groups have vanished.
These groups were set up for people to buy and sell airguns,and had been doing so for several years.
All of a sudden the groups started to disapear,dozens of them every day.
I run a group and have survived the cull,because i dont allow the sale of air rifles,only scopes.
I wonder if this is any way related to this crack down?.

[bighit]

In the last six months or so,hundreds of facebook air rifle groups have vanished.
These groups were set up for people to buy and sell airguns,and had been doing so for several years.
All of a sudden the groups started to disapear,dozens of them every day.
I run a group and have survived the cull,because i dont allow the sale of air rifles,only scopes.
I wonder if this is any way related to this crack down?.

do you think it might be due to this?
What is considered a firearm in the list of regulated goods in Facebook’s Community Standards?

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The purchase, sale or trade of firearms, ammunition and explosives between private individuals isn't allowed on Facebook. This includes:
Rifles
Shotguns
Machine guns
Handguns
Pistols
Revolvers
Firearm receivers
Antique guns
Black powder firearms
Muzzle-loading firearms
BB guns
Airsoft guns
Air guns
Air rifles
Paintball markers
Firearm replicas
Non-functioning firearms
Curios and relics
Destructive devices such as bombs, grenades, rockets, missiles or mines
We understand that some of these items may not be legally regulated everywhere people use Facebook. In order to enforce our policies as fairly and consistently as possible, we use one broad set of standards for the entire Facebook community.

[gingernut]

That's a pain when you need to sell the odd mine.

[edbear2]

That's a pain when you need to sell the odd mine.

....Can't think of mines now without;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ng3fG1u4Xg

ATB, Ed

[gingernut]

Of course!
He was a genuine collector.

[mel h]

....Can't think of mines now without;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ng3fG1u4Xg

ATB, Ed

I can remember when every sea side town that we visited when we were kids, had a 'Mine' charity money collection box on the sea front. I wonder where they all went? A bit non PC now, I'd love to have one.
Mel.