Any idea how many licences have been issued in Scotland

[bighit]

You are referencing OLD Material from years ago BEFORE the legislation was even passed .
Linking to dated and old 'Public Statements ' is NOT the same as showing they are pro -active in the fray making members money go further to promote our hobby .

I repeat - ZERO relevant updates in their flagship magazine [ other than to say "Its now illegal ..blah blah " over these past months - and - ZERO relevant updates on their website . I just checked and again nothing new .

Like most people that are down here we want to know what was/is being done SINCE THEN ..... by such a pro-active organisation ?
Feedback from airgunners north in Scotland is NOT good .

As for forum member DAVID (?) I would suggest if the BASC have a spokeperson on here , they give regular updates - on forum for everyone to read .
It really is that important if they want me to spend money and join them .
I was unaware they had a spokesperson here - and so would most people - DAVID Basc has not been on here and made a post on the most important change to our shooting since ermmmm .....Nov 2016 ...

Assuming 'David ' is a spokesperson ( apologies if not David ) then sort of proves my point about accountability and being totally out of touch with the average airgunner .
The BIGGEST changes to our way of life and they cannot keep the nations biggest Airgun Forum updated as the deadline approaches/ passes / has
past ????

Everyone is worried that this fiasco will come south and so far its the BASC thats our last defence .

other than the cats protection league petition there is no word of it happening in England or Wales .so why would BASC be writing about it ? you don't know what is being done in the background.

also the English government said a year two ago they were confident no scheme was needed in England and Wales.

if your so worried why not email BASC and ask them?

[GoodWILLHunting]

It's done and dusted, it's all "old" stuff. Look to the BASC web site, all info is to be found there.

BASC did plenty and as a full member I'm a happy camper, well as happy as I can be under the circumstances

[Jimny4x4]

It's done and dusted, it's all "old" stuff. Look to the BASC web site, all info is to be found there.

BASC did plenty and as a full member I'm a happy camper, well as happy as I can be under the circumstances

Well I can only imagine the changes up there , and under the circumstances you now face I understand the need to stick together .
BigHit claims it was all going to happy anyway .... and thats my concern , that acceptance somehow diluted a response .
For example
1- the Application Form should have been challenged - as it appeared .
I saw it online and its a hybrid pasted-together piece of rubbish .
Who has a Gun Room to lock their airguns in ? Who uses a locking steel cable for their Airguns ?
None the above a legal requirement or so I am told by airgunners in Scotland so ...WHY ?
An oversight ? If so easily corrected by a national organisation capable of advising the Police or complaining to the Scottish Government .
2- the balls-up lead in time . It took the powers to be from the passing of the legislation to the following summer to then start the Application process - and ...guess what - 6 months only to get a Licence or face prison . A balls-up nothing to do with BASC but a national organisation would/should have argued publicly and in private that the lead in should have been extended .
So did they - you guys have all the answers here ?

[bighit]

Well I can only imagine the changes up there , and under the circumstances you now face I understand the need to stick together .
BigHit claims it was all going to happy anyway .... and thats my concern , that acceptance somehow diluted a response .
For example
1- the Application Form should have been challenged - as it appeared .
I saw it online and its a hybrid pasted-together piece of rubbish .
Who has a Gun Room to lock their airguns in ? Who uses a locking steel cable for their Airguns ?
None the above a legal requirement or so I am told by airgunners in Scotland so ...WHY ?
An oversight ? If so easily corrected by a national organisation capable of advising the Police or complaining to the Scottish Government .
2- the balls-up lead in time . It took the powers to be from the passing of the legislation to the following summer to then start the Application process - and ...guess what - 6 months only to get a Licence or face prison . A balls-up nothing to do with BASC but a national organisation would/should have argued publicly and in private that the lead in should have been extended .
So did they - you guys have all the answers here ?

1 from the home office
Safe Storage As mentioned above, it is now an offence for a person in possession of an air weapon to fail to take reasonable precautions to prevent a person under the age of 18 from gaining unauthorised access to it. There have been several deaths as a result of children getting hold of air weapons. These tragedies might have been prevented had the air weapons been stored safely. Below are some simple steps to follow to reduce the risk of any such incident:
• In many cases, it will be sufficient to store your air weapon in an existing, suitably robust, lockable cupboard – keeping the keys separate and secure.
• alternatively, you could use a lock or locking device by which your air weapon can be attached to the fabric of a building, or to a fixed feature. Or you could use a security cord, lockable chain or similar device attached to a point of anchorage within the building.
• Even where children are very young, or are not normally present, it is preferable to use some form of security cord or similar device rather than simply storing your air weapon up high and out of reach.
• Anyone who already holds other firearms could use their existing gun cabinet for their air weapon, provided this does not compromise security.
• Air weapons should be stored within the occupied part of a building and not in an outbuilding, such as a garage or shed.
• If you keep a number of air weapons, you might find it useful to consider some of the security measures suggested for licensed firearms. This information can be found in the Firearms Security Handbook 2005, available on the Home Office website.

The law changed in 2011 and it is now an offence for a person to fail to secure an air weapon in a way that reasonably prevents an unauthorised child under the age of 18 from accessing it. Further information on your responsibilities can be found in this Home Office leaflet. this from here http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Justice/c...oting/security .

if you follow the link in there it takes you to the safe storage bit at the top of my reply .

so are all the Scottish air gunners you have spoken to seen this ruling? if not you might want to bring it their attention.

a clamp ,gun cabinet ,gun room, or other is options that some owners that have an FAC or SGC have in place at present . they are not saying you must have a gun cabinet or gun room.

not sure if they still do it today but in rural locations a clamp was seen as ok for a shotgun, no cabinet needed.

my FEO told me on the phone a locking wardrobe or even a lock on the door to the room the airguns are would be ok.
I have a cabinet as I own FAC rifles and a shotgun.


put your airgun in the wardrobe with a trigger lock on it.


also put it this way, if some one broke into your home would you like them to steal your airgun if it has a bug price tag?


venting your spleen on here about what BASC did or not do is not going to get you answers. ASK BASC what they did or did not do.

[bighit]

from SACS

Do you need a gun cabinet for airguns from next year?
No. A locked room or cupboard or trigger lock or security cable would suffice in most circumstances. If you have a gun cabinet and kids in the house then it’s common sense to pop them in the cabinet.
There’s a great wee leaflet on airgun security from the Home Office. If you Google ‘air weapons safety’ it’s the first link.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...afety-jan-2011
This is a good and easy-to-follow guide to airgun security, safety and law, though obviously it will not include the new Scottish airgun law. The security measures outlined in the leaflet will be the accepted airgun security standard in Scotland.
In summary: common sense applies. If you use your head you’ll keep your airgun certificate.

[Ragle Jnr]

Air weapon certificate just arrived, only 6 months since I applied. Only £5, valid until FAC and SGC expire. Number on certificate suggests about 10,000 issued so far.

[bighit]

Air weapon certificate just arrived, only 6 months since I applied. Only £5, valid until FAC and SGC expire. Number on certificate suggests about 10,000 issued so far.

I will get mine when I renew my fac and sgc. End of may it's due. FEO visit on the 13th of April.

[thisisdonald]

Well I can only imagine the changes up there , and under the circumstances you now face I understand the need to stick together .
BigHit claims it was all going to happy anyway .... and thats my concern , that acceptance somehow diluted a response .
For example
1- the Application Form should have been challenged - as it appeared .
I saw it online and its a hybrid pasted-together piece of rubbish .
Who has a Gun Room to lock their airguns in ? Who uses a locking steel cable for their Airguns ?
None the above a legal requirement or so I am told by airgunners in Scotland so ...WHY ?
An oversight ? If so easily corrected by a national organisation capable of advising the Police or complaining to the Scottish Government .
2- the balls-up lead in time . It took the powers to be from the passing of the legislation to the following summer to then start the Application process - and ...guess what - 6 months only to get a Licence or face prison . A balls-up nothing to do with BASC but a national organisation would/should have argued publicly and in private that the lead in should have been extended .
So did they - you guys have all the answers here ?

where were you when it was all happening up here? There were plenty threads on the BBS and every other forum about the licencing legislation. everyone in the UK had the opportunity to respond to the proposal.
Its a little too late now to be questioning what happened. We did our part then, and we'll do it again if the RUK want to introduce airgun licencing in any form.

[Jimny4x4]

where were you when it was all happening up here? There were plenty threads on the BBS and every other forum about the licencing legislation. everyone in the UK had the opportunity to respond to the proposal.
Its a little too late now to be questioning what happened. We did our part then, and we'll do it again if the RUK want to introduce airgun licencing in any form.

Well if you are happy with it all so be it .
One thing for us south in England to sign a petition to help you out , but these 'irregularities' were overlooked .
With respect when I am raising a query , I am not venting my spleen as one person here has put it .
When paying good money over the counter I ask questions - the more I ask the more I see wrong .
I notice most that have replied to this thread have no Airgun Licence yet , and those that do have divided interest what with shotty and fullbore taking up their shooting time .
Me - airgunning only .

[bighit]

Well if you are happy with it all so be it .
One thing for us south in England to sign a petition to help you out , but these 'irregularities' were overlooked .
With respect when I am raising a query , I am not venting my spleen as one person here has put it .
When paying good money over the counter I ask questions - the more I ask the more I see wrong .
I notice most that have replied to this thread have no Airgun Licence yet , and those that do have divided interest what with shotty and fullbore taking up their shooting time .
Me - airgunning only .

I don't need one till the 28th of may unless I want to buy a new airgun.. if I buy it now it costs me £72 .i have paid £5 for it to start on the 28th of may . so do I pay £5 or £72?

I paid £70 for a fac,sgc and airgun license .

current fac or sgc owners don't need one to hold or use one until their renewal is due hence they don't have one.

there is a fair few on this very forum that do have a license but have not replied here.

and how many use a shotgun, rim fire or shotgun in a barn shooting pigeons, magpies or crows?


people that use a full bore or shotgun for pest control may also have a air gun for rats and birds in barns or close to the farmhouse where a rim fire, full bore or shotgun is not safe.

just because they shoot more with full bore rim fire or shotgun does not mean they dont have an airgun.


and the FEO that was in my house on Thursday said a fair number of fac or sgc shooters were applying for the airgun license.


have you contacted BASC or SACS and asked what they did?

[Jimny4x4]

.....yes I did ( try ) as you were adamant I should .
If I am going to pay any ' club ' £££ for membership I really would like to see how /what they did .
Thought a good place to start would be the so called Airgunning Department , only when I rang the number - same number for the Reception as the dedicated Airgunning Department ...the Receptionist clearly was caught off guard . Very nice lady but a case of 'who to ring - who to ring ' .
I got a very real sense that nobody had actually told her there was in fact a dedicated Airgunning Dept .

I am actually looking at the BASC website now and see lots of people listed in the Airgunning Department ...but nobody was to hand ????
Something SERIOUSLY wrong there .

And noted that unlike other dedicated departments , the people shown all work in OTHER areas within BASC .
Again , something SERIO.......why am I repeating myself !!

Again , my expectations were not met .

I'll look elsewhere for my insurance .