Any idea how many licences have been issued in Scotland

[bighit]

Thanks chaps. Lots more than I thought but I'm guessing not every law abiding Scotman who needs one has one.

If someone remembers or finds their old rifle in the garage and take it to the local station I hope they won't get arrested.

I can't find anywhere what the sentencing is for the crime of possession? In England and Wales possession of an FAC rated rifle is I think 5 years and £5k fine? Or is that just armed trespass?

any good Andy ?

Requirement for air weapon certificate
(1)
It is an offence for a person to use, possess, purchase or acquire an air weapon without holding an air weapon certificate.
(2)
A person who commits an offence under subsection (1) is liable—
(a)
on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum (or both),
(b)
on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or a fine (or both).
(3)
Schedule 1 contains exemptions from—
(a)
the offence under subsection (1), and
(b)
certain other offences under this Part.
(4)
The Scottish Ministers may by regulations amend schedule 1 so as to—
(a)
add further exemptions,
(b)
remove or modify exemptions.

fine scale. not sure if its the same values for Scotland and England
The standard scale of fines for summary offences.
(1)
There shall be a standard scale of fines for summary offences, which shall be known as “the standard scale”.
[F1(2)
The standard scale is shown below—
Level on the scale
Amount of fine
1
£200
2
£500
3
£1,000
4
£2,500
5
£5,000]

and from BASC
12. What would happen if I had an air rifle or pistol but did not have an airgun certificate when the law comes into force on the 1st January 2017?
If you were found to be in possession of an air rifle or air pistol without a certificate then you could face imprisonment for up to two years, or a fine, or both.

paul

legalisations page http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2015/10/contents

[bullbarrel]

any good Andy ?

Fantastic. I had read the BASC page but it didn't give values.

It certainly is a fine scale .

You do have to think that the money and effort getting it all done could have been better spent on drugs related projects which would have helped cut crime more instead of making criminals out of tens of thousands of your population?

[bighit]

Fantastic. I had read the BASC page but it didn't give values.

It certainly is a fine scale .

You do have to think that the money and effort getting it all done could have been better spent on drugs related projects which would have helped cut crime more instead of making criminals out of tens of thousands of your population?

I dare say so . its a total farce as far as I'm concerned. no traceability and I can see why in relation to collectors that have a few hundred of so rifles. but there is nothing to stop a licensed person buying an unlicensed ned a rifle like what happens when underage kids want cigarettes or alcohol from the shop.

only a license holder with morals wont take the "£20 if you buy me an £40 B2 Mr"

its a money making scheme or a start towards a total ban like the handguns. only people that really need them will be allowed them for example pest control businesses .

[Missed_dinner]

Unless I go to England ,where I can buy as many airguns as I want.

So thats all the criminals will do, find the closest RFD in England and drive there and buy an air rifle and take it back home.

Shop owner: "Sorry sir, you can't buy an air rifle, you have a Scottish accent"

Discrimination lawsuit in the making.

[barrel]

I wonder if all the gun shops in Europe who post air rifles to the UK have been informed not to send to Scottish addresses anymore?.

Kindest regards

Barrel

[Archer50]

European Union (and other EEA) dealers are not, and never have been bound by UK laws. So long as the sale is legal in their country (age limits etc) they can send the gun anywhere they like in the Single Market - that's why they can send a gun direct to an English or Welsh address in contravention of our VCR. An HMRC customs directive could, in theory, stop the gun at the border but customs rules are not a devolved Scottish power (yet!). The only person breaking the law would be the buyer, if they are not licensed.

Alan

[barrel]

Thanks Archer 50 that's interesting.

Kindest regards

Barrel

[Archer50]

Sorry, should have said 'EU and other EEA dealers....' I've changed it in the original. This is one of the many things that depends at the moment on the existence of the Single Market, so who knows what the situation will be after Brexit.

Alan

[GoodWILLHunting]

Have heard a few up north are not happy with BASC's ' leave well alone ' attitude ..seems after the event , its a case of get used to it or take up fishing instead . So say they were in at the deep end during negotiations but nothing firm has come out from all the 'talk' it seems . Unless they diverted a ban outright possibly . Today a balls up legal situation where the Scots have to apply for a Licence thats not really a Licence for stupidly obvious reasons yet are bound by some of the same legal constraints as SGC /rimmie holders ? Crazy . I would have thought that if they were so involved there would have been at least an expose - I was given some back issues of the in-house magazine and was surpised at how little - read ZERO info of any real relevance was printed . Very disappointing for a national shooting association thats meant to represent our hobby as well as all the tweedy breek toffs shooting at pegs on their shoot days . I checked the BASC website out of interest all last year and after the deadline - info there was but basic is a word that comes to mind .

BASC were keenly involved during the consultation, and much of where we are today is as a direct result of their involvement and input. If not for them we could be looking at a very different situation to that which we have. Since 2005 some action on air guns was in the post and all the parties had pledged to take action.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-33266720

So, it's unfair IMO to be critical of BASC with regards to their involvement in the licence debacle. The information contained on their website is to the point, clear and concise. What more do you want them to say?

We do well to remember that: the only people unhappy with airgun licensing in Scotland is us air gunners, the joe publics up here by and large think it's great, apart from those who think there should have been a complete ban, that is.

Yes some politicians voted against it, but they wanted a separate airgun bill, rather than it being lumped in with lap dancing and pub licensing.

Quote from the link above:

"Labour backed the bill despite describing it as "far from ideal", while the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats said while they supported many parts of the legislation, they could not back measures relating to the licensing of air weapons, arguing that the matter should have been addressed in a separate piece of legislation."

BASC did all they could

[bighit]

[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][/FONT]BASC did all they could

as did SACs

[GoodWILLHunting]

as did SACs

True too

[bighit]

https://basc.org.uk/basc-scotland/ai...ratic-mistake/

https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-relea...onsultation-2/

https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-relea...-consultation/



SAC's

http://www.sacs.org.uk/item-931-new-object



how far back do your BASC back issues go? this license scheme has been on the table since at least 2005

BASC and SAC's has been against it for around the same number of years.

[bighit]

the hearing that David Ewing and BASC were at http://www.parliament.scot/GettingIn...singinscotland
https://www.parliament.scot/GettingI...DF/PE01485.pdf


http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2013/04/8015/0
http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0042/00420557.pdf

[Jimny4x4]

https://basc.org.uk/basc-scotland/ai...ratic-mistake/

https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-relea...onsultation-2/

https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-relea...-consultation/



SAC's

http://www.sacs.org.uk/item-931-new-object



how far back do your BASC back issues go? this license scheme has been on the table since at least 2005

BASC and SAC's has been against it for around the same number of years.

You are referencing OLD Material from years ago BEFORE the legislation was even passed .
Linking to dated and old 'Public Statements ' is NOT the same as showing they are pro -active in the fray making members money go further to promote our hobby .

I repeat - ZERO relevant updates in their flagship magazine [ other than to say "Its now illegal ..blah blah " over these past months - and - ZERO relevant updates on their website . I just checked and again nothing new .

Like most people that are down here we want to know what was/is being done SINCE THEN ..... by such a pro-active organisation ?
Feedback from airgunners north in Scotland is NOT good .

As for forum member DAVID (?) I would suggest if the BASC have a spokeperson on here , they give regular updates - on forum for everyone to read .
It really is that important if they want me to spend money and join them .
I was unaware they had a spokesperson here - and so would most people - DAVID Basc has not been on here and made a post on the most important change to our shooting since ermmmm .....Nov 2016 ...

Assuming 'David ' is a spokesperson ( apologies if not David ) then sort of proves my point about accountability and being totally out of touch with the average airgunner .
The BIGGEST changes to our way of life and they cannot keep the nations biggest Airgun Forum updated as the deadline approaches/ passes / has
past ????

Everyone is worried that this fiasco will come south and so far its the BASC thats our last defence .