Stoeger XP4

[clarky]

Me too.

But it is "infused with our lineage of firearms expertise". (Who writes this nonsense?)

To be fair to them, all the top-cover charged SSPs are variations on the same theme: FAS, Nemesis, HW40/P17, Gamo PR14/45, AF10, Compact, HW75, etc. So I wouldn't call it a rip-off. And it looks nicer than the over-styled HW40.

I would agree with you Geezer ....its got the edge due to the lack of vertical lines at the muzzle and looks better for having the foresight right at the muzzle.

I recently replaced a fibre optic set up on a 40 which was annoying one of my club compardres.
Simply slipped out the fibre optics and let in some solid bespoke machined Black Delrin inserts.
The 1mm dia. Delrin for the rearsight prob best just using some black epoxy.

[gingernut]

Luddites

[Geezer]

Luddites

Old school. .

[clarky]

Old school. .

Lol...
Jokes apart if your eyes are still reasonable you will get twice the precision out of a set of regular sights.
There was an interesting article on this in Guns and Ammo which even incl the blacking out of the rear sights old time white dots for more precsion, relying on just a white spot on the foresight.

[Arthur John Smithsplease]

Looks like the Chinese made Beeman P17 , but with a nicer shaped frame.

Since it's almost certainly made in China, my guess is that that is probably what it is - a new airgun product that isn't essentially new at all.

How much is actually new these days?

[Geezer]

Lol...
Jokes apart if your eyes are still reasonable you will get twice the precision out of a set of regular sights.
There was an interesting article on this in Guns and Ammo which even incl the blacking out of the rear sights old time white dots for more precsion, relying on just a white spot on the foresight.

This is true. Dots are fine (tritium for example) but glow-sticks are not, unless the target is fairly big and fairly close and not at night.

Looks like the Chinese made Beeman P17 , but with a nicer shaped frame.

Since it's almost certainly made in China, my guess is that that is probably what it is - a new airgun product that isn't essentially new at all.

How much is actually new these days?

Not much. But that's not a new thing. Go back 30-40 years and all the top, popular, break-barrels are a lot alike. Now, the PCPs are all a lot alike. Same goes for RF, CF, shot guns....

[clarky]

Looks like the Chinese made Beeman P17 , but with a nicer shaped frame.

Since it's almost certainly made in China, my guess is that that is probably what it is - a new airgun product that isn't essentially new at all.

How much is actually new these days?

Its apparently made in Italy.....hence the styling.

[gingernut]

My old eyes appreciate glo sights now and again.
I accept that they aren't pretty.

[BigEars]

Looks like the Chinese made Beeman P17 , but with a nicer shaped frame.

Since it's almost certainly made in China, my guess is that that is probably what it is - a new airgun product that isn't essentially new at all.

How much is actually new these days?

The release catch certainly looks Beemanish.

[Arthur John Smithsplease]

I might be tempted by this.

It looks rather nice.