Stoeger XP4

[clarky]

Old school. .

Lol...
Jokes apart if your eyes are still reasonable you will get twice the precision out of a set of regular sights.
There was an interesting article on this in Guns and Ammo which even incl the blacking out of the rear sights old time white dots for more precsion, relying on just a white spot on the foresight.

[Arthur John Smithsplease]

Looks like the Chinese made Beeman P17 , but with a nicer shaped frame.

Since it's almost certainly made in China, my guess is that that is probably what it is - a new airgun product that isn't essentially new at all.

How much is actually new these days?

[Geezer]

Lol...
Jokes apart if your eyes are still reasonable you will get twice the precision out of a set of regular sights.
There was an interesting article on this in Guns and Ammo which even incl the blacking out of the rear sights old time white dots for more precsion, relying on just a white spot on the foresight.

This is true. Dots are fine (tritium for example) but glow-sticks are not, unless the target is fairly big and fairly close and not at night.

Looks like the Chinese made Beeman P17 , but with a nicer shaped frame.

Since it's almost certainly made in China, my guess is that that is probably what it is - a new airgun product that isn't essentially new at all.

How much is actually new these days?

Not much. But that's not a new thing. Go back 30-40 years and all the top, popular, break-barrels are a lot alike. Now, the PCPs are all a lot alike. Same goes for RF, CF, shot guns....

[clarky]

Looks like the Chinese made Beeman P17 , but with a nicer shaped frame.

Since it's almost certainly made in China, my guess is that that is probably what it is - a new airgun product that isn't essentially new at all.

How much is actually new these days?

Its apparently made in Italy.....hence the styling.

[gingernut]

My old eyes appreciate glo sights now and again.
I accept that they aren't pretty.

[Inspector 71]

A picture. Readers are going to want to see one!

https://www.airrifle.co.za/imagestor...ynthetic-1.jpg

[clarky]

A picture. Readers are going to want to see one!

https://www.airrifle.co.za/imagestor...ynthetic-1.jpg

...thanks for that ....it certainly looks good as it approaches the real size in that pic.
I just wonder if all that composite will have the qualities of the HW40 even if it does look a lot better.

[Iain K D]

Well if we're not going to get a CO2-powered Luger ...

Brief, official video of it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1w5XlzWeGI

and yes it looks very HW40 (or Chinese clone - it is 'designed' in Italy) inside. So hopefully seals (and possibly even other parts like the internal springs) won't be a problem, we can all be sure to check the air inlet on the cylinder for burrs, and the automatic safety can be converted to manual by removing one pin, a spring and a triangular part inside.

At least it is styled differently outside (imagine just getting the HW40 clone badge-engineered), the grip certainly looks different and the sight radius a bit longer, even if the barrel isn't lengthened to match. Personally I'd clean the lines up a bit more - slide retraction grooves on the overlever, really?

Iain

[BigEars]

Looks like the Chinese made Beeman P17 , but with a nicer shaped frame.

Since it's almost certainly made in China, my guess is that that is probably what it is - a new airgun product that isn't essentially new at all.

How much is actually new these days?

The release catch certainly looks Beemanish.

[Arthur John Smithsplease]

I might be tempted by this.

It looks rather nice.