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  1. #1
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    As Angrybear said, anything going on a plane is x-rayed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rancidtom View Post
    As Angrybear said, anything going on a plane is x-rayed.

    Angrybear knows the rules and the processes, as do I. You stated that parcels sent by pf48 will be x-rayed which is incorrect, please only post the facts.

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    Pressure vessels whether full or empty are technically not permitted BUT.......if the parcel is not to be sent by air the chances of being stopped and destroyed is very small. Not zero but very small. If the pressure vessel can be removed and sent separately so much the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logunner View Post
    Angrybear knows the rules and the processes, as do I. You stated that parcels sent by pf48 will be x-rayed which is incorrect, please only post the facts.
    Any parcel going via PF or RM may be flown unless marked as "Do not air uplift" so therefore any parcel not marked "Do not air uplift" may be x-rayed. This has been made clear to me, there is no guarantee that a parcel will not be air uplifted unless marked "Do not air uplift".
    PF's terms and conditions state:
    2.20 All Consignments which are transported
    by air are subject to screening processes
    for reasons of security. The contents
    of any Consignment which is being
    transported by air must be capable of
    being determined by such scanners.
    Where the contents of a Consignment
    cannot be determined using those
    scanners, then Clause 2.4 shall apply.

    2.4 Parcelforce Worldwide reserves the
    right to refuse, hold, cancel, postpone or
    return any Consignment, the carriage of
    which is prohibited by law at any time or if
    such Consignment would in the opinion of
    Parcelforce Worldwide be likely to cause
    damage or delay to other Consignments,
    goods or persons, or does not comply
    with any of these Conditions of Carriage.
    If Parcelforce Worldwide accepts a
    Consignment not complying with this
    Clause 2.4 that does not mean that
    Parcelforce Worldwide has waived the
    Customer’s obligations pursuant to this
    sub-clause.

    Those are the facts I have read on PF's website. I draw my own conclusion from this that any parcel may be scanned (x-rayed).
    I don't mind if they x-ray a parcel, I have nothing to hide, I post with due regard to the terms and conditions, if PF want to x-ray for security/safety/anti-terrorism it's fine by me. I'm happy to use their service expecting my parcels to be x-rayed.
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    I know who I would trust to know the rules given that they are Ex-royal mail if I remember right and who also helped find "lost " parcels for people on here

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    Quote Originally Posted by rancidtom View Post
    Any parcel going via PF or RM may be flown unless marked as "Do not air uplift" so therefore any parcel not marked "Do not air uplift" may be x-rayed. This has been made clear to me, there is no guarantee that a parcel will not be air uplifted unless marked "Do not air uplift".
    PF's terms and conditions state:
    2.20 All Consignments which are transported
    by air are subject to screening processes
    for reasons of security. The contents
    of any Consignment which is being
    transported by air must be capable of
    being determined by such scanners.
    Where the contents of a Consignment
    cannot be determined using those
    scanners, then Clause 2.4 shall apply.

    2.4 Parcelforce Worldwide reserves the
    right to refuse, hold, cancel, postpone or
    return any Consignment, the carriage of
    which is prohibited by law at any time or if
    such Consignment would in the opinion of
    Parcelforce Worldwide be likely to cause
    damage or delay to other Consignments,
    goods or persons, or does not comply
    with any of these Conditions of Carriage.
    If Parcelforce Worldwide accepts a
    Consignment not complying with this
    Clause 2.4 that does not mean that
    Parcelforce Worldwide has waived the
    Customer’s obligations pursuant to this
    sub-clause.

    Those are the facts I have read on PF's website. I draw my own conclusion from this that any parcel may be scanned (x-rayed).
    I don't mind if they x-ray a parcel, I have nothing to hide, I post with due regard to the terms and conditions, if PF want to x-ray for security/safety/anti-terrorism it's fine by me. I'm happy to use their service expecting my parcels to be x-rayed.
    True enough,
    BUT
    PF Worldwide have multiple services, Just within the UK they have 5 different services (Express9, 10, AM, 24 & 48) and the reason they state Guns to go by PF48 only is because that is a road transport service (within the mainland) as they have 48 hours to deliver, if an item is sent Express9 to be delivered by 9am the next day then quite possibly it would have to be moved by air.

    Rather than draw my own conclusions I prefer to read the rules & if still unsure phone them & ask .

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    I read the rules and assumed that anything sent may be liable for x-ray therefore I always mark the packages as "not for air uplift", "To be signed for by addressee only" and "Do not leave with neighbour". I declare that I have sent a low power sporting air rifle (if sub12) or just an air rifle if sending an FAC to another RFD. So far I have had no damaged packages, no late deliveries and no losses so I must be doing something right. I only send via PF48 (unless it's a pistol then I may consider RMSD) so maybe none of my packages have ever been x-rayed, who knows? I have sent to N.I. using PF48 with no problems too. As I mentioned earlier I have nothing to worry about if they are x-rayed because I have declared what is in the package and complied with the rules as stated in PF and P.O's terms and conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rancidtom View Post
    Any parcel going via PF or RM may be flown unless marked as "Do not air uplift" so therefore any parcel not marked "Do not air uplift" may be x-rayed. This has been made clear to me, there is no guarantee that a parcel will not be air uplifted unless marked "Do not air uplift".
    PF's terms and conditions state:
    2.20 All Consignments which are transported
    by air are subject to screening processes
    for reasons of security. The contents
    of any Consignment which is being
    transported by air must be capable of
    being determined by such scanners.
    Where the contents of a Consignment
    cannot be determined using those
    scanners, then Clause 2.4 shall apply.

    2.4 Parcelforce Worldwide reserves the
    right to refuse, hold, cancel, postpone or
    return any Consignment, the carriage of
    which is prohibited by law at any time or if
    such Consignment would in the opinion of
    Parcelforce Worldwide be likely to cause
    damage or delay to other Consignments,
    goods or persons, or does not comply
    with any of these Conditions of Carriage.
    If Parcelforce Worldwide accepts a
    Consignment not complying with this
    Clause 2.4 that does not mean that
    Parcelforce Worldwide has waived the
    Customer’s obligations pursuant to this
    sub-clause.

    Those are the facts I have read on PF's website. I draw my own conclusion from this that any parcel may be scanned (x-rayed).
    I don't mind if they x-ray a parcel, I have nothing to hide, I post with due regard to the terms and conditions, if PF want to x-ray for security/safety/anti-terrorism it's fine by me. I'm happy to use their service expecting my parcels to be x-rayed.
    This post confirms you do not know the facts. Anyone reading your 'advice' could be mislead, anyone reading Angrybear's factual posts would be better advised.

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