Springers progress

[robs5230]

springer design has stagnated. The only real research and development now going on is into lightweight skirtless pistons enabling less cocking input and reduced felt recoil, though not by any of the major manufacturers.
Changes over the years with the major manufacturers have only been done to reduce cost, favour the US market or comply with legistlation.

[TonyL]

Love threads like this, but no time to jump in properly.

Will be along laterz......

BOING!!

[Blackrider]

Post #8 just about sums it up for me but I liked Phil's comment concerning weight reduction in future spring Airgun design !

[tinbum]

springer design has stagnated. The only real research and development now going on is into lightweight skirtless pistons enabling less cocking input and reduced felt recoil, though not by any of the major manufacturers.
Changes over the years with the major manufacturers have only been done to reduce cost, favour the US market or comply with legistlation.

Lightweight, skirtless pistons are actually old technology. They always worked well, but the cost and reliability drawbacks meant they were always at a disadvantage.

The future is light to medium weight full bodied pistons.

[TonyL]

Lightweight, skirtless pistons are actually old technology. They always worked well, but the cost and reliability drawbacks meant they were always at a disadvantage.

The future is light to medium weight full bodied pistons.

I think you're right there, Nick.

And depending on the pressure exerted on the piston face, for many guns we're talking in the region of 170 to 200 grams?

Also, remember that many "new" ideas aren't that new at all. I can't remember the name and make of the gun now, but John Milewski featured a rifle once (1910s/20s?) where the target version sported a lightweight aluminium piston giving less power and reduced recoil.. There's very rarely anything "new" that hasn't been tried before.

[Geezer]

What everyone else said. The tuners have more refined techniques now (eg sleeving) than 35 years ago. But that's about it. The old stuff is just as good, if not better, than current production springers.

[GoodWILLHunting]

What everyone else said. The tuners have more refined techniques now (eg sleeving) than 35 years ago. But that's about it. The old stuff is just as good, if not better, than current production springers.

Better in many instances, where off shoring has occurred it's older originally produced guns that are sought after in the 2nd hand market. Thats not just down to nostalgia imo.

[Geezer]

Indeed - though I do mean the best of the old stuff. Not Webley Hawks and Ospreys, Relums, Mk5 Airsporters, most Milbro Dianas.....

I mean HWs, most Dianas, Longbows, Omegas, Tomahawks, FWB Sports, Superstars. Stuff like that.

[FPoole]

Assuming you have a good barrel and the seals are doing their job, it all boils down to the trigger. Drop a fitted guide into a TX200 and it will feel very nice, almost tuned. I recently filled the 2 adjustment screw holes in one of my TX's trigger with JB Weld so I could drill and tap new holes. I angled the holes so that they strike the bottom sear a few mm's farther away from the pivot. The trigger is even better than factory and the gun is even easier to shoot accurately. I think V-Mach sell a trigger blade already modded in this way. A second TX received a lightened LGU piston and seal as well as having the comp. tube end plug shortened. This gives me a stroke of 81-82mm and a piston with seal weight of 195 gr. This gun is also amazing even though it isn't that much of a custom job. Just find a factory TX that is accurate to start out and have at it with the tinkering. They only get better, and if they go the wrong way, just put it back to the last spot and try something new. It really is that easy with the TX. Forgot to add that both these guns have been flogged for 25 years and still going strong.