Post Office and Royal Mail

[bighit]

It must have been the co2. I never thought to ask him or advise him on what service to use. His responsibility, however having said that I will now ALWAYS make sure they use PF 48.
How about airsoft with gas magazines? would they be liable the same as the mag is pressurised? even if empty?

It's pressurised vessels. If sending anything like that it's going to be difficult. Some say only safe way is by an RFD. they will have a different account to the public but even then they may have difficulty in sending some items. I tried to get an RFD to send a dive tank for me. Only one could do it. The same carrier that the dive bottle company use may not take a dive bottle from an RFD as it's a different account that the dive bottle company use.

From what I have seen on here .you send it as "ground delivery only.no flying" but a pressure vessel ? I'm not sure.

You will only get people "own views" on here but some on here know the score. Angry bear and logunner are the two I trust among a few others to have the right advice on here. One being an ex royal mail worker that helped people "find" lost items for members on here.

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Another oddity is Li-on batteries
you must declare & a sticker is affixed to the package, the odd bit is
UK - batteries must be installed in the item
Overseas - batteries removed from item but ok in the package

I also sold 2 DS mags to America on , sent via the postal system. package intercepted & presumably destroyed, the buyer was refunded & i got to keep the money too

[Benelli B76]

What logic is there in diverting a "pressure vessel" on a journey further to another destination than it was addressed to go, for checking and "destruction". Longer journey and destruction more risk than just delivering it to the owner. What are the statistics of people who have been blown up with a 12 grm CO2 capsule ?

A lot of rules are made up by people with little knowledge of the subject matter.

Baz

[bighit]

What logic is there in diverting a "pressure vessel" on a journey further to another destination than it was addressed to go, for checking and "destruction". Longer journey and destruction more risk than just delivering it to the owner. What are the statistics of people who have been blown up with a 12 grm CO2 capsule ?

A lot of rules are made up by people with little knowledge of the subject matter.

Baz

End of the day it's them that sets the rules. Don't like their rules go elsewhere but then there is no where else to go unless you find a specific courier .

As I said above. The same courier that delivered dive tanks to my local RFD would not lift mine from there to go down south. Different account types. They did find one but it was going to be £40 just for the tank. Buyer was not willing to pay that for a free due tank.

[Logunner]

What logic is there in diverting a "pressure vessel" on a journey further to another destination than it was addressed to go, for checking and "destruction". Longer journey and destruction more risk than just delivering it to the owner. What are the statistics of people who have been blown up with a 12 grm CO2 capsule ?

A lot of rules are made up by people with little knowledge of the subject matter.

Baz

Your statement on "knowledge of the subject matter" confirms how little knowledge you have of the subject matter.

A large percentage of RM goes by aircraft, aviation rules do not allow pressurised containers. The journey to Belfast is by Sea so low risk... Also to be considered is the mechanical handling and sortation equipment used in processing the mail, again a risk if a pressurised item becomes trapped.

Feel free to correct me if your knowledge on this is greater than mine..

[AdeC]

So why was the pistol destroyed (kept by postie more like) if it was the co2 which was the problem?

[bighit]

So why was the pistol destroyed (kept by postie more like) if it was the co2 which was the problem?

Ask the post office. They decided it was to be destroyed. And it's not the first or last one either.

Don't abide by their rules and lose your airgun.

Maybe they don't have any one firearms educated .I may have been wrong about the firearms educated guy in the post office.maybe it was the airport.

[10/10]

And it goes pop when you squeeze it Great fun

[angrybear]

So why was the pistol destroyed (kept by postie more like) if it was the co2 which was the problem?

Because it was part of the parcel and it's the PARCEL that is destroyed as a whole.

It's a shame, but that's what happens when you break the rules.

The number of times "Post" threads come up on here I would have thought everyone would know them by now & make sure any sender you're dealing with also knows them.

[12/200]

Your statement on "knowledge of the subject matter" confirms how little knowledge you have of the subject matter.

A large percentage of RM goes by aircraft, aviation rules do not allow pressurised containers. The journey to Belfast is by Sea so low risk... Also to be considered is the mechanical handling and sortation equipment used in processing the mail, again a risk if a pressurised item becomes trapped.

Feel free to correct me if your knowledge on this is greater than mine..

How are traders cylinders allowed then when Joe Public`s arnt


http://www./itm/Bike-CO2-pump-cycle-...EAAOSwa~BYPGrI

lease note:

FREE POSTAGE covers only UK MAINLAND

[Logunner]

How are traders cylinders allowed then when Joe Public`s arnt


http://www./itm/Bike-CO2-pump-cycle-...EAAOSwa~BYPGrI

lease note:

FREE POSTAGE covers only UK MAINLAND

Already covered by a previous poster. Trade accounts are treated differently by both RM and PF, RM do not deliver cylinders for anyone.

Thread title also mentions "Post Office" who are a completely different entity from RM, they only provide a service to RM and PF as part of their overall offering.

This subject has been covered numerous times on here, if you do a quick search you will see it comes up almost weekly

[bighit]

How are traders cylinders allowed then when Joe Public`s arnt


http://www./itm/Bike-CO2-pump-cycle-...EAAOSwa~BYPGrI

lease note:

FREE POSTAGE covers only UK MAINLAND

Because traders have different accounts to Joe public. As I have said twice before. My RFD can have ten new dive bottles sent to him via a carrier but he had a nightmare to get them to deliver one from his shop. Different trade accounts .same with Joe public .

[RobF]

Your statement on "knowledge of the subject matter" confirms how little knowledge you have of the subject matter.

A large percentage of RM goes by aircraft, aviation rules do not allow pressurised containers. The journey to Belfast is by Sea so low risk... Also to be considered is the mechanical handling and sortation equipment used in processing the mail, again a risk if a pressurised item becomes trapped.

Feel free to correct me if your knowledge on this is greater than mine..

Ok. Pressurised containers are allowed on board.

I've done about a dozen trips, long and short haul with them ones at way higher pressures than co2. Every flight carries them, they're part of the on board equipment in many varieties from medical to the simple co2 capsules which inflate your life jackets under most people's seats when they pull that little string.

I'm sure RM ban them from flights. They're not banned from flights.

https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...N_PHG_ALWAYSON

I suspect RM ban them like they ban everything else because they don't have the expertise to determine safety without inspection and jump for the lowest common denominator. Understandable but let's not say it's not possible because it is. All sorts of things can be flown, some need more paperwork, some don't.

[angrybear]

Ok. Pressurised containers are allowed on board.

I've done about a dozen trips, long and short haul with them ones at way higher pressures than co2. Every flight carries them, they're part of the on board equipment in many varieties from medical to the simple co2 capsules which inflate your life jackets under most people's seats when they pull that little string.

I'm sure RM ban them from flights. They're not banned from flights.

https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...N_PHG_ALWAYSON

I suspect RM ban them like they ban everything else because they don't have the expertise to determine safety without inspection and jump for the lowest common denominator. Understandable but let's not say it's not possible because it is. All sorts of things can be flown, some need more paperwork, some don't.

Most aircraft also have high pressure O2 cylinders on board for use in emergencies.

Unfortunately you are confusing aircraft components, emergency equipment, passenger luggage, hold baggage, unaccompanied baggage & freight all of which have their own set of rules.

And that's before even getting to RM/PF rules,

Pressure vessels are banned in RM/PF public services, THAT'S IT ! IT'S THEIR SERVICE THEY CAN REFUSE ANYTHING THEY DON'T WANT TO CARRY !

[Logunner]

Ok. Pressurised containers are allowed on board.

I've done about a dozen trips, long and short haul with them ones at way higher pressures than co2. Every flight carries them, they're part of the on board equipment in many varieties from medical to the simple co2 capsules which inflate your life jackets under most people's seats when they pull that little string.

I'm sure RM ban them from flights. They're not banned from flights.

https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...N_PHG_ALWAYSON

I suspect RM ban them like they ban everything else because they don't have the expertise to determine safety without inspection and jump for the lowest common denominator. Understandable but let's not say it's not possible because it is. All sorts of things can be flown, some need more paperwork, some don't.

Unaccompanied they are not allowed. RM do not set avaition rules they just follow them, it's as simple as that. If I had the inclination I could search the link that proves the avaition rules but it's been done so many times....